Revo stage 1 remap on 2000 Leon 1.8 T

[narse]

I am in two minds on whether I should go for this. At the moment my car is standard, just changed the air filter for a Jetix one. The car is low mileage (43,000), and has the APP engine. I really wanted to know what peoples opinions are on if I should spend the £350 and get the remap done. My main thoughts are:

* Will it shorten the life of the other parts in the car, apart from the clutch and brakes and tyres (turbo, etc)
* How will the performance feel different? I have read people saying it pulls stronger from 2500 revs, but really very happy with the 0-60 performance at the moment. The only time I feel it could be quicker is when I am already moving. i.e. on the motorway, it doesn't feel as strong.
* Does having the APP engine make any difference? Not sure what the difference is, but on the forum people sometimes say that it doesn't have the VVT and I think it means I have the earlier turbo.

If anyone has any advise then please let me know.

Thanks,
Rob

 

[Steely]

Ive been toying with this too mate, on my facelift Cupra AUQ 180,


ive decided against it, purely down to the fact ive had it nearly 12 months and its not missed a heartbeat, it gets abused, pushed, taken to the limit but its also maintained to the max, as standard it will take everything you throw at it, all day long,

every mapped car ive seen gets the turbo glowing!, no matter how much i push the standard map, it never glows,

for example a mate has a 1993 polo g40 supercharged, a very nippy nimble litte car, and to really get away from it im pushing the LC to the limit, but im doing it knowing its safe,, the k03/ko3s isnt the most efficient turbo and lacks puff at top end, you'll be better just chopping the LC for an LCR, a car i personally think is far more capable of a remap,

the 150/180 LC personally is a different car in comparison to the 210/225 LCR, vag wouldnt of designed the LCR with different manifold, turbo, twin intercoolers, map, forged internals, etc just for the sake of an extra 25-45 bhp, if it was readily available on the LC with just a map,

i know people will disagree, but the LC isn't a slow car as it is, i just personally dont agree if its longevity you want, by all means get it remapped, but expect things to fail earlier,

 

[Mr OCD]

i know people will disagree, but the LC isn't a slow car as it is, i just personally dont agree if its longevity you want, by all means get it remapped, but expect things to fail earlier,

I agree its not a slow car (2002 LC 180 AUQ here) but I always felt on the motorway it lacked grunt.

I also had concerns with longevity as the car is used daily and does 20k miles per year... but as long as you dont abuse the car hitting the redline all the time its not an issue.

My own car has been remapped for 25,000 miles now ... was remapped at 70k miles in that time other than regular maintenance its only needed a coil pack (I say one but I replaced them all to be safe) and has given me a trouble free drive at all times.

Saying that I dont thrash it... it gets warmed up and cooled down properly and I never exceed 5500rpm in any gear - there is absolutely no need as max power is around this rpm on an LC.

As for the turbo glowing I've never seen this but the EGT's are fine for a remapped car and nothing to be concerned about.

The remap transformed the car from something that is mildly quick to something that is quick without question. Even my best mate is surprised by how quickly it can be driven when pushing on and the torque.

In addition to this I have gained 2-3mpg from the remap... whilst its not alot it does go someway to justifying the expense

Oh... my LC has been up against a sprint from 30-100 leptons with a standard LCR and my LC pulled two car lengths ... so its certainly quick enough now!

Hope this helps.

Scott

 

[LEE69]

I decided against a re-map too, so bought the Liquid Gauge.

 

[adam cupra 20vt]

From reading a lot of posts on the golf forums the ko3 cars map to around 190-195 and the ko3s about 205-215 on a stage 1 so you might miss out on a bit of power?

 

[Mylo]

stage 1 LC, hit 215bhp on AMD's rollers two weeks ago and runs faultlessly.

Never seen the turbo glowing lol.

 

[Steely]

stage 1 LC, hit 215bhp on AMD's rollers two weeks ago and runs faultlessly.

Never seen the turbo glowing lol.

neither had i untill about 5 weeks back, a remapped LC and the turbo was a bright orange, shame ive not got a pic,

but as an example it was along the same lines as this, (not an lc!)

 

[Shaunyboy]

Ive had mine glowing twice, looks quite good but the heat that comes into the cabin is unreal its like an oven Wouldent do it regular though as i dont imagine its good for the oil lol.

 

[Becks]

I'm jumping stage one and going straight for stage two.

Love my car, i'm keeping it for the forseeable, so a bit more power after having it for two years is a natural progression imo.

I'm in the fortunate position that my car wouldn't need to be put into a garage for any issues or repairs, and all the mods are done in the driveway.

I'm looking forward to improved fuel economy under normal driving conditions, and a bit more pull as and when I see fit.

 

[munkyboy]

I know someone who has just blown his turbo on a LC. He had a stage 1 map since it was on 24000 miles and when the turbo blew it was on 158000!!!!!!! I asked him if he had any other problems before and he told me the only thing he has had to replcae on the car was a water bottle. SO...... I think it is generally how you drive your car.

I recently had a free trial with Revo and was very impressed with the outcome for when your cruising on the motorway in 6th. A lot better but wasnt too fussed on the touchy throttle. Makes it a little harder to keep smooth in the middle of town.

 

[Becks]

I know someone who has just blown his turbo on a LC. He had a stage 1 map since it was on 24000 miles and when the turbo blew it was on 158000!!!!!!! I asked him if he had any other problems before and he told me the only thing he has had to replcae on the car was a water bottle. SO...... I think it is generally how you drive your car.

I recently had a free trial with Revo and was very impressed with the outcome for when your cruising on the motorway in 6th. A lot better but wasnt too fussed on the touchy throttle. Makes it a little harder to keep smooth in the middle of town.

Do you have a boost guage? Revo trials are evil imo as they drop your boost below standard once the trial wears off. I had to go back and get them to totally wipe the ecu as mine was only boosting to 7psi

 

[munkyboy]

That is mad you say that because since it has gone my car does feel underpowered but i thought it was because i had been driving it mapped. But no i dont have a boost guage. I do have one somewhere but not fitted yet waiting for pillar

 

[Becks]

That is mad you say that because since it has gone my car does feel underpowered but i thought it was because i had been driving it mapped. But no i dont have a boost guage. I do have one somewhere but not fitted yet waiting for pillar

Thats the reasoning behind it, it makes you more likely to buy the map!

Honestly, i'd done alot of fault finding at my expense trying to work out what was wrong with it.

The via google and other forums I found out that it was the case. If you are getting revo done fair enough, if not go back and get them to remove the map completely.

 

[munkyboy]

OK not a problem. I will ask the guy about it because funnily enough he is in the office at the moment with my boss lol. So when he comes out of his meeting I will see him and ask him about it.

But thanks for that I would have never have thought about that. Im glad it wasnt just me being stupid and thinking I had a slow car all of a sudden

 

[Mashburn]

Do you have a boost guage? Revo trials are evil imo as they drop your boost below standard once the trial wears off. I had to go back and get them to totally wipe the ecu as mine was only boosting to 7psi

I have stage 1 Revo with a select plus switch. So does this mean when i switch back to 'stock' i'm running less boost than i was to start with???

Or is it different in this case?

 

[Becks]

I have stage 1 Revo with a select plus switch. So does this mean when i switch back to 'stock' i'm running less boost than i was to start with???

Or is it different in this case?

No the Revo map will map over the top of the trial.

 

[s4oopie]

if this helps i have a jabba stage 1 re-map on my 52reg 03 180bhp (auq).. it came with the car, the car pulls very strong in all gears and standard lcr's just cant get passed ! the coil packs have been changed but saying that i very rarely rev the engine over 5000 rpm as the torque is sufficient , I also find that around town i need not to change out of 3rd gear apart from traffic lights .. stage 2 will commence soon once i have a fitting front mount and exhaust combination

 

[narse]

Thanks for everyone's opinions. I think that Steely's and "adam cupra 20vt"s comments have helped me decide. a) I am very happy with it already, and like the fact that I don't worry that I am overstressing any part of it. and b) as it is an older turbo model ko3 I don't think a remap will make as much difference as on some cars; and I wonder if the remap will take the turbo much closer to the limit of it's tolerences than it would on the newer turbo models.

Anyway thanks,
Rob

 

[Mr OCD]

if this helps i have a jabba stage 1 re-map on my 52reg 03 180bhp (auq).. it came with the car, the car pulls very strong in all gears and standard lcr's just cant get passed !

That's the bit I love...

Had a blat with a Cupra R recently and we pulled over for a chat after our little blat... first thing he said was 'what the hell have you done to that!' ...

I was going to tell him it was standard...

 

[M14KCY]

I am wanting the Revo stage 1 too but funds are pushed just now so cant afford it. I was going to get the Milltek cat-back system and get the trial but if it slows the car down when the trial is over i think i will get the map first.

Anyway what i am getting at is, is it ok to get Stage 1 on my car with only the Induction kit and add the exhaust at a later date?