Winter tyres

l.e.star

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Bit early bearing in mind the recent weather but I'll be investing in a set of winter tyres this November to Feb/March for my standard alloys (the CKs will get garaged) and was just wondering what other peoples experiences are?

We all know that summer tyres don't work as well below 7°c, so I'm looking at the Dunlop Winter Sport 3D @ £145 a corner. Not cheap, but should last a couple of years and the cost pales in comparison to that of repairing any damage (as I found out last winter).

In my experience, the Eagle F1s are spectacularly useless in the cold/ice and (although rare) snow. I commute on B roads for 22 miles, often not gritted, so for peace of mind it's worth it to me. Anyone else do the same? Tyre recommendations (225/40/18s)?

couldnt agree more when it snowd earlier on in the year what normally takes 15 mins to get work took me 1 hour. my car was all over the place. worst part was trying to pull off from the lights and by the time i manged to actually move from the lights they turned red again. as i looked in the rear veiw mirror tho could see the guy mouthing w****r. so yep the eagles are getting ditched come this winter.
 

Neel-Cupra

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Don't see the point of them in the context of this topic. The rainsports are the sort of thing you'd have on all year round.

Well if you have a look on mytyres.co.uk and also the tyrereviews.co.uk you'll find that they are rated very highly in the snow so performance extremely well in the winter :D
 

rllmuk

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They may be, but why get an all season when you can get a winter tyre for the 3-4 month period?
 

Haddock

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Well if you have a look on mytyres.co.uk and also the tyrereviews.co.uk you'll find that they are rated very highly in the snow so performance extremely well in the winter :D

Uniroyal Rainsports are a summer tyre, with very little in the way of lateral grooves. On the plus side though it looks like they are made from a silica rubber which (i believe) doesent tend to freeze at low temperatures.

Similar tread pattern to the only Eagle F1's which I can confirm really are not good in the snow - especially when it comes to stopping.

Sound like good tyres for summer though!
 

White_Lady_170

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Jan 20, 2009
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I drop down to 16" for winter, wrapped with Vredestein Snowtrac's..

This will be my third year with them, generally on from Nov (or first sign of snow) through to March.

Have a google, they generally come out on top and are well priced.

Plus they are pretty good on a dry road too.

Chris

Sorry to hijack but was just looking to know where you sourced a set of 16" (steels i presume...?) from? This is what i was hoping to do this winter as i found with the fat 18" tyres, the car wouldn't take any gear in the ice and just danced about weaving from side to side. the thinners wheel would cut through the ice far better :) dont know where to pick up a set of steel rims from though...
 

Haddock

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Sorry to hijack but was just looking to know where you sourced a set of 16" (steels i presume...?) from? This is what i was hoping to do this winter as i found with the fat 18" tyres, the car wouldn't take any gear in the ice and just danced about weaving from side to side. the thinners wheel would cut through the ice far better :) dont know where to pick up a set of steel rims from though...

Hi,

I got Alloys from an early sport, they came up on Ebay - I'd probably suggest the scrappers for steel wheels, they'll have loads. It would just be a shame to put steel wheels on such a nice car!

Maybe try the dealers too, they may have sets left over from when people upgrade?

Chris
 

White_Lady_170

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Hi,

I got Alloys from an early sport, they came up on Ebay - I'd probably suggest the scrappers for steel wheels, they'll have loads. It would just be a shame to put steel wheels on such a nice car!

Maybe try the dealers too, they may have sets left over from when people upgrade?

Chris

Tried David @ SERE and they are coming in at £40 a rim... so i might try the scrappers or see what 16" alloys there are that would look half decent for the few months they will be on but are pretty cheap at the same time. Thanks!
 

rllmuk

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That's the benefit of having two sets of 18s - one for summer and the other for winter without compromising on the look.
 

Haddock

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That's the benefit of having two sets of 18s - one for summer and the other for winter without compromising on the look.

2 sets of 18's definately better for the look... but I wanted to go down a couple of tyre widths, down from 225's to 195's for maximum benefit.

Have to admit Im always happy to get the 18's back on around March though! :D

Have you decided on which tyres yet?
 

White_Lady_170

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2 sets of 18's definately better for the look... but I wanted to go down a couple of tyre widths, down from 225's to 195's for maximum benefit.

Have to admit Im always happy to get the 18's back on around March though! :D

Have you decided on which tyres yet?

Same here, want a skinny tyre as the 225's are no good for ice, especially with the amount of torque down low that a tdi FR has...
 

rllmuk

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Same here, want a skinny tyre as the 225's are no good for ice, especially with the amount of torque down low that a tdi FR has...

Not true if you have the right tyre. It's just that the right tyre is a lot cheaper in smaller fitments.
 
I had to use snow chains on my Golf TDI one night last winter, just to get home (walking miles of countryside wasn't an option with a baby in the car!). I'm going to pick up some more for my Leon I reckon. Felt a certain smugness driving past abandoned 4x4s - it feels horribly bumpy and you need to drive slow but the car just goes like a tank - but if you get any chains I'd recommend you try reading the instructions before you try it in a blizzard in the dark. ;)
 

l.e.star

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ok so what is the best set of tyres for a set of 18s 225's (summer tyres) that have a good review as i dont fancy the idea of buying some winter tyres as we only have about 2-3 days of snow and i hear that on winter tyres you can only do a certain speed limit??? << can anyone confirm that. because if thats not the case then i will buy some and use them for the year.
 

Nath.

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I had to use snow chains on my Golf TDI one night last winter, just to get home (walking miles of countryside wasn't an option with a baby in the car!). I'm going to pick up some more for my Leon I reckon. Felt a certain smugness driving past abandoned 4x4s - it feels horribly bumpy and you need to drive slow but the car just goes like a tank - but if you get any chains I'd recommend you try reading the instructions before you try it in a blizzard in the dark. ;)

They do make good grip in the snow but they can wreck your wheels/Tyres and they are very dangerous on none snow covered roads.

Everone ownes snow chains and winter tyres/wheels in Canada, it's a must. and cheaper/warmer than a skiddoo.
 

m0rk

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ok so what is the best set of tyres for a set of 18s 225's (summer tyres) that have a good review as i dont fancy the idea of buying some winter tyres as we only have about 2-3 days of snow and i hear that on winter tyres you can only do a certain speed limit??? << can anyone confirm that. because if thats not the case then i will buy some and use them for the year.

Most Winter Tyres are rated to 118 - 130 mph

how fast do you drive? esp in winter?!
 

Willie

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Well I've had my 225-40-18 Michelin PA2's for two years theres still plenty life left in them.
These were fitted for 6 months each year (October to March/April) with a mix of driving on snow, ice, wet and dry. These tyres are amazing and allow me to use the car the whole year.
Before I tried to get by with GYE GSD3's. These were amazing above 4 degrees in wet and dry but @ 4 degrees and lower they were seriously not good. As bad as mentioned in this thread about not getting away from lights and not managing to stop.
Modern winter tyres are good for all driving and will not fall to piece on dry roads. Even if you don't get much snow there well worth the spend. A new front bumper is upwards of £300 so think about that.

But on pure ice it makes no difference what you have fitted, you start sliding or spinning your in deep ####. Only spikes will help here and these are bannned in Britian.

Michelin have new PA3's out now, these will be what I'll buy this year for our new B7 Audi A4 TDI.
I too have a kid and wife and work away from home, this gives me the confidence that all will be well no matter what the weather throws at them.

Do it, you will be like me and wonder why you put up with summer tyres in the winter for so long.
Also you can laugh and drive past the 4x4's on summer tyres going nowhere
 

l.e.star

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Most Winter Tyres are rated to 118 - 130 mph

how fast do you drive? esp in winter?!

mainly city driving so most of the time im stuck in traffic and going below the speed limit.
i need a decent tyre with loads of grip mainly for pulling off as im mainly starting and stopping most of the time. so what are the main differences in winter tyres and summer tyes i know that winter tyres grip better in the snow and under minus temps. but what about the summer.????
 

Willie

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Summer tyres are a softer more pliant rubber at warmer temperatures but go very hard in the colder conditions. They rely on the temperature to give the grip on the road with the soft rubber.
Winter tyres use specifically patterned treads to grip and release the snow where summer tyres fill with snow and it doesn't realease creating a smooth tyre with no treads or grip.
Winter tyres rubber works better at the colder temperatures but unlike the winter tyres of old don't fall to pieces when they get hotter on dry days.
Winter tyres are better than the cheaper summer tyres on wet roads but not as good as the better summer tyres.
Basically its all about the compound, the tread and the temperature
 

l.e.star

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Summer tyres are a softer more pliant rubber at warmer temperatures but go very hard in the colder conditions. They rely on the temperature to give the grip on the road with the soft rubber.
Winter tyres use specifically patterned treads to grip and release the snow where summer tyres fill with snow and it doesn't realease creating a smooth tyre with no treads or grip.
Winter tyres rubber works better at the colder temperatures but unlike the winter tyres of old don't fall to pieces when they get hotter on dry days.
Winter tyres are better than the cheaper summer tyres on wet roads but not as good as the better summer tyres.
Basically its all about the compound, the tread and the temperature

ahh. all makes sense now just didnt like the idea of having to buy a winter tyre then six months down the line having to pay out and switch to summer tyres because the winter tyres aint reliable. would rather just have a decent not overpriced tyre that is agood all year round. how much did your michelins set you back.
 
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