RobDon's Leon -

[Willie]

At that price for an intercooler you wouldn't be so heart broken if a stone punctures it.
I'd be well pissed if I had to fork out another £650 for a new Forge one in the same situation.
Might think about swapping out my Forge one for a cheaper edition

 

[mrwookie]

After swapping the WMI nozzle to a smaller one, I did some more logs, and it's worse! It's pulling more timing than before, now pulling 6 CF and it was no more than 3 before, so I'm switching back to the larger nozzle.

I revved it a bit higher (to 7k rpm) than before and got a peak airflow of 219g/s which I'm happy with.

My £90 ebay intercooler is also working well too, saw no higher than 21 degrees intake temps right up to 7k rpm.

Thats some good figures with a flow off 219g/s not to far off 300bhp. Go on scary us with some other figures.......how much you reckon you spent on it??

 

[jonjay]

Thats some good figures with a flow off 219g/s not to far off 300bhp. Go on scary us with some other figures.......how much you reckon you spent on it??

Its actually more g/s due to the maf being in a different housing.

 

[RobDon]

Correct, LC sensor in LCR housing, LCR housing is 16% larger. 219 x 16% = 35. 219 + 35 = 254g/s.

254 x 1.25 = 317.5bhp.

 

[mrwookie]

Its actually more g/s due to the maf being in a different housing.

Correct, LC sensor in LCR housing, LCR housing is 16% larger. 219 x 16% = 35. 219 + 35 = 254g/s.

254 x 1.25 = 317.5bhp.

Superb thats even better then!!!

 

[RobDon]

Here's the logs from this morning, first is the airflow, peaks at 219.08g/s

	Group A:	'002				Group B:	Not Running
		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Injection	Intake Air Mass		
	TIME			Timing		TIME	
Marker	STAMP	/min	0%	ms	g/s	STAMP	
	0.01	2960	59.4	5.78	35.08		
	0.3	3080	57.9	5.78	34.03		
	0.6	3280	85	8.84	57.33		
	0.91	3520	97.7	8.84	69.28		
	1.22	3760	111.3	10.2	86.97		
	1.51	4080	141.4	13.26	119.86		
	1.81	4520	171.4	13.94	153.97		
	2.11	4960	178.9	13.26	173.44		
	2.41	5240	188	16.32	190.69		
	2.72	5840	188.7	21.76	209.94		
	3.02	6200	180.5	23.12	212.53		
	3.33	6400	173.7	23.12	211.58		
	3.62	6600	169.9	22.44	211.89		
	3.93	6960	172.2	22.78	219.08		
	4.23	7080	155.6	20.74	215.61

Here's the timing pull with the smaller DO3 nozzle:

Thursday	27	August	2009	10:13:08			
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT     G01 0002					
							
	Group A:	'020				Group B:	Not Running
		Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition		
	TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	TIME	
Marker	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	
	0.01	0	0	0	0		
	0.22	0	0	0	0		
	0.53	0	0	0	0		
	0.83	0	0	3	0		
	1.14	3	0	3	3		
	1.43	3	0	3	3		
	1.73	3	0	3	3		
	2.03	3	3	3	3		
	2.34	6	3	6	3		
	2.64	6	3	6	3		
	2.94	6	3	6	3		
	3.25	6	3	6	2.3

Went back out this afternoon after switching it to the larger DO4 nozzle:

Thursday	27	August	2009	13:27:54			
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT     G01 0002					
							
	Group A:	'020				Group B:	Not Running
		Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition		
	TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	TIME	
Marker	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	
	0.01	0	0	0	0		
	0.33	0	0	0	0		
	0.63	0	0	0	0		
	0.93	0	0	0	0		
	1.24	0	0	0	0		
	1.54	0	0	0	3		
	1.84	3	3	0	3		
	2.14	3	3	0	3		
	2.44	3	3	0	3		
	2.76	3	3	3	3		
	3.05	3	3	3	3		
	3.36	3	3	3	3		
	3.65	3	2.3	3	2.3		
	3.96	2.3	2.3	3	2.3

Also boost requested vs actual. Some more adjustments of the Apexi required to get it bang on.

Thursday	27	August	2009	13:35:38			
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT     G01 0002					
							
	Group A:	'115				Group B:	Not Running
		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure		
	TIME			(specified Value)	(actual Value)	TIME	
Marker	STAMP	/min	0%	mbar	mbar	STAMP	
	0.01	2880	54.1	990	1130		
	0.3	2960	62.4	1080	1160		
	0.61	3040	72.2	1340	1220		
	0.91	3160	82.7	1400	1300		
	1.22	3280	91.7	1400	1410		
	1.51	3400	102.3	1420	1540		
	1.81	3560	112.8	2120	1690		
	2.12	3720	127.1	2390	1870		
	2.42	3920	150.4	2500	2050		
	2.72	4120	169.9	2500	2270		
	3.02	4320	178.9	2480	2370		
	3.32	4520	180.5	2480	2400		
	3.62	4720	180.5	2470	2370		
	3.92	4920	183.5	2470	2410		
	4.22	5160	186.5	2430	2360		
	4.53	5320	187.2	2400	2400		
	4.83	5640	185.7	2350	2380		
	5.14	5800	184.2	2350	2330		
	5.44	5920	185	2330	2350		
	5.74	6040	183.5	2330	2310		
	6.05	6240	180.5	2340	2320		
	6.35	6440	174.4	2370	2340

 

[Skorchio]

The same question is still in my mind, if you log with 5o extra timeing with NO CF's, then push it .75 (5.75o) more and get CF's of 3, is resultant timeing 2.25 less that it was at 5o?

If you log 003 + 020 it appears so, so surly for the most power, you want NO CF's? Iv still not been able to find answers to these questions.

Logs looks great tho Rob, Air flow is very good.

 

[wild willy]

The same question is still in my mind, if you log with 5o extra timeing with NO CF's, then push it .75 (5.75o) more and get CF's of 3, is resultant timeing 2.25 less that it was at 5o?

If you log 003 + 020 it appears so, so surly for the most power, you want NO CF's? Iv still not been able to find answers to these questions.

Logs looks great tho Rob, Air flow is very good.

I think if you stay below 5's or 6's there will be very little ecu correction or certainly not enough to cancel out the benifits the extra timing introduced.

Looking good Rob.

 

[RobDon]

I made the journey up to Aberdeen for the Wallace Performance rolling road day, couple of hours drive up and same back. My car made 317.3bhp (279.4bhp @ the wheels) and 285lbft, although my Apexi is not set up right and was causing the boost to fluctuate, something Wallace said they can fix with a setting up session, so I'll get that done soon.

If you remember from a page back, after my logs I said this:

"Correct, LC sensor in LCR housing, LCR housing is 16% larger. 219 x 16% = 35. 219 + 35 = 254g/s.

254 x 1.25 = 317.5bhp."

317.5bhp ................. and today it made ................. 317.3bhp!!!!!!!!!

I reckon the turbo is making around 297bhp and the WMI and advanced timing around 20bhp on top.

 

[EL]

Thats fantastic, great results there Rob. Bet your happy with that

 

[beattie17]

Well done rob. Might even make a little more with apexi being tweeked. I got mine set up and rr'd theyre too

 

[RobDon]

Yes, they said they'd probably get 320bhp/300lbft of torque with the Apexi setup correctly.

Yes I am happy, it's all come together today!

 

[traumapat]

nice work Rob!

 

[Stu_pot]

Excellent work Rob, attention to detail really pays off

 

[DPJ]

Great result, Rob Well done!

I'd be interested to see the graphs.

 

[ibizacupra]

I made the journey up to Aberdeen for the Wallace Performance rolling road day, couple of hours drive up and same back. My car made 317.3bhp (279.4bhp @ the wheels) and 285lbft, although my Apexi is not set up right and was causing the boost to fluctuate, something Wallace said they can fix with a setting up session, so I'll get that done soon.

If you remember from a page back, after my logs I said this:

"Correct, LC sensor in LCR housing, LCR housing is 16% larger. 219 x 16% = 35. 219 + 35 = 254g/s.

254 x 1.25 = 317.5bhp."

317.5bhp ................. and today it made ................. 317.3bhp!!!!!!!!!

I reckon the turbo is making around 297bhp and the WMI and advanced timing around 20bhp on top.

well done rob
nice result


happy chappy I bet

 

[RobDon]

Thanks Bill, yes apart from the Apexi needing set up properly it's spot on!

I don't have a working scanner just now so can't post the graphs at the moment.

 

[wild willy]

I made the journey up to Aberdeen for the Wallace Performance rolling road day, couple of hours drive up and same back. My car made 317.3bhp (279.4bhp @ the wheels) and 285lbft, although my Apexi is not set up right and was causing the boost to fluctuate, something Wallace said they can fix with a setting up session, so I'll get that done soon.

If you remember from a page back, after my logs I said this:

"Correct, LC sensor in LCR housing, LCR housing is 16% larger. 219 x 16% = 35. 219 + 35 = 254g/s.

254 x 1.25 = 317.5bhp."

317.5bhp ................. and today it made ................. 317.3bhp!!!!!!!!!

I reckon the turbo is making around 297bhp and the WMI and advanced timing around 20bhp on top.

Superb result there Rob, makes it all worth while. When the apexi is running 100% there maybe a little bit more to be had.
Your calcs have all worked out spot on, how the csa of a cupra maff exceeds that of a lcr by 16% is beyond my maths but those results can't be argued with.
As you've said before with your setup theres little point in going for BT.
Great to see a car perform as well as it looks, so the question has to be what are you planning next for it.

 

[Cupra_R04]

excellent results there rob so good day in all then.

As for insurance question any modification you carry out on car in legal terms must be declared. Failure to do so would result in insurance being void.

Mark

 

[richybigman]

If you can't afford the insurance then don't modify the car.

Great results Robdon!