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I'll be interested in this if I ever get mine done, can't afford 000's as lets face it, my car is only worth about 4k now.
If you get just the flywheel which I believe is the minimum, what's the chances of getting it fitted? I have problems with garages fitting stuff they've not sold themselves, for obvious money reasons.
If you get just the flywheel which I believe is the minimum, what's the chances of getting it fitted? I have problems with garages fitting stuff they've not sold themselves, for obvious money reasons.
Competition braking products Gav 01748 831200
Sachs kit (Organic) £ £442.37 inc vat, plate and cover.
Bearing about £45
Sachs dmf approx £220
Daves fitting(DSB) about £175
I have this clutch fitted with a new sachs dmf, not probs at 350lbft
Clutch rated to about 450lbft
Glynn
Sachs kit (Organic) £ £442.37 inc vat, plate and cover.
Bearing about £45
Sachs dmf approx £220
Daves fitting(DSB) about £175
I have this clutch fitted with a new sachs dmf, not probs at 350lbft
Clutch rated to about 450lbft
Glynn
I can vouch for the sachs set-up - its excellent. I paid a bit more for mine around Feb this year so that's a good price. You can't skimp on the clutch (I tried!!) cos it'll need changing again far too soon if you do. Also, the paddle plate I put in mine was very snatchy and not at all smooth even though it didn't slip ever - but I wouldn't have a paddle one again.
I changed my DMF whilst it was all apart as they do go eventually and then you'd have the labour costs. I used a sachs one but its OEM, not uprated. I don't think there is an uprated one. The original was worn (at 75k miles, 70k of which have been on Revo) and a bit loose but could have gone back in.
I changed my DMF whilst it was all apart as they do go eventually and then you'd have the labour costs. I used a sachs one but its OEM, not uprated. I don't think there is an uprated one. The original was worn (at 75k miles, 70k of which have been on Revo) and a bit loose but could have gone back in.
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The other thing is that my paddle clutch wasn't organic - it was sintered which basically is what made it so ultra snatchy. An organic one might be a bit more forgiving but I don't know for certain.
Why not have a word with the fitter and the supplier on the DMF to buy it, and once the old one is out decide whether to fit it or not, and then return it if not. I think eurocarparts.co.uk do the Sachs OEM DMF, they have an OK returns policy and probably a store not far from you.
The Sachs kit I have came from JBS without flywheel and I think I paid about £540 ish with the bearing (give or take a tenner - I can't remember exactly). The prices glynnd quoted were very good. I got the DMF seperately but had made my mind up to change it regardless of the condition of the one coming out.
The DMF will be OEM. The "upgrade" with flywheels is to go SMF but that will introduce vibration into the drive train that you will be able to feel. People on here have done it with SMF and they are happy to live with the vibration, but I'd want it to feel refined and close to OEM for my tastes (and to keep the Mrs in her box!!). Jabba do a Sachs clutch with SMF as a kit and I would imagine that their SMF is as good if not better than any. Jabba are pretty well respected.
Why not have a word with the fitter and the supplier on the DMF to buy it, and once the old one is out decide whether to fit it or not, and then return it if not. I think eurocarparts.co.uk do the Sachs OEM DMF, they have an OK returns policy and probably a store not far from you.
The Sachs kit I have came from JBS without flywheel and I think I paid about £540 ish with the bearing (give or take a tenner - I can't remember exactly). The prices glynnd quoted were very good. I got the DMF seperately but had made my mind up to change it regardless of the condition of the one coming out.
The DMF will be OEM. The "upgrade" with flywheels is to go SMF but that will introduce vibration into the drive train that you will be able to feel. People on here have done it with SMF and they are happy to live with the vibration, but I'd want it to feel refined and close to OEM for my tastes (and to keep the Mrs in her box!!). Jabba do a Sachs clutch with SMF as a kit and I would imagine that their SMF is as good if not better than any. Jabba are pretty well respected.
Yes. I used a genuine VAG one for £40 - again, not worth doing cheap due to cost of labour on early failure!
You're right about the paddle clutch - I don't think there is an organic one now you mention it.
LUK are the OEM clutch parts for a lot of VAG stuff so as long as its direct replacement part it should be OK - they are OEM for quite a few car manufacturers. The Euro car parts clutch stuff is "full kit vs just flywheel" - I checked it out in the past, its just not all that clear from their website other than the price difference!
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Try JBS Autodesign - I paid a lot less than that from them. Also ask for discount for being a member on here.
From my experience and what I've heard from others, slippage tends to get worse in colder months....
fenwick458
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i would not skinp on this part of the car, save up untill you can afford a proper solution and do it then, then it's done.
if you try and skimp then it will come back to bite you in the ass. buy cheap buy twice! i'm speaking from experiance here, when my clutch statred slipping last year i went for the cheapest option and got the CG paddle clutch for £280 delivered. it was designed to fit on my DMF. cam to fit it and the DMF was shot and had loads of play, so had to get that replaced at the same time!
then about 15,000 miles down the road (6-8 months not sure now) started getting a rattle at idle, and alot of flywheel judder on accelleration and around 2,000 rpm, flywheel was worn out already. this was due to the harsh nature of the paddle clutch i was told, funny how i was not told that when i bought it!
so i now had to fork out for another clutch and another flywheel.
ended up getting the sachs race engineering one for £550, and also at the same time i was putting in a new engine which came with a good condition DMF so luckily i dodged another expense...
i've had about 12,000 out of that setup now and it hasn't slipped yet but the DMF judders a bit on acceleration so i have to drive around that which is kindof a pain. if i could turn back time i'd go for a Helix SMF clutch kit which retails at about £850 for the kit.
i can't post links yet as i'm new here but go to performanceclutch dot co dot uk , then goto fast road and enter your car info
if you try and skimp then it will come back to bite you in the ass. buy cheap buy twice! i'm speaking from experiance here, when my clutch statred slipping last year i went for the cheapest option and got the CG paddle clutch for £280 delivered. it was designed to fit on my DMF. cam to fit it and the DMF was shot and had loads of play, so had to get that replaced at the same time!
then about 15,000 miles down the road (6-8 months not sure now) started getting a rattle at idle, and alot of flywheel judder on accelleration and around 2,000 rpm, flywheel was worn out already. this was due to the harsh nature of the paddle clutch i was told, funny how i was not told that when i bought it!
so i now had to fork out for another clutch and another flywheel.
ended up getting the sachs race engineering one for £550, and also at the same time i was putting in a new engine which came with a good condition DMF so luckily i dodged another expense...
i've had about 12,000 out of that setup now and it hasn't slipped yet but the DMF judders a bit on acceleration so i have to drive around that which is kindof a pain. if i could turn back time i'd go for a Helix SMF clutch kit which retails at about £850 for the kit.
i can't post links yet as i'm new here but go to performanceclutch dot co dot uk , then goto fast road and enter your car info
Slippage is worse in cold months because your car produces more power with cold air entering it. Nothing to do with the cold effecting the clutch itself.
fenwick458
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yes i would go for a SMF given the chance to go back in time. if i plan any more power mods i'll defo upgrade to a SMF before i do!
they chatter when the engine is idling in neutral. thats a charachteristic of a SMF. i think it's a small price to pay for a bombproof clutch personally.
do a search on youtube for SMF TDI you can hear what they sound like.
i'd post a link but i can't yet
LeeC
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A new, standard, Sachs DMF will be fine. My original DMF survived 70k miles with Revo, 45k of which it had a sintered (ie harsh and hard) paddle clutch plate (on OEM cover). I only changed the DMF on the clutch change to the Sachs Uprated one because it was all apart. It was worn but perfectly serviceable and could have gone back in - I just happened to have the cash at the time to go with a new one.
fenwick458
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gav: it defo does not make the car any less pleasant IMO, think how often you are ever sat idling in neutral?
-however, if you are 100% positive that you're not going to do any more power mods then a sachs race engineering clutch is a good choice. feels very similar to OEM, still uses the DMF so no rattly noises.
S3: yeah DMF's should last longer than what mine did, but i put it down to the paddle clutch being harsh on it. i would not reccomend a paddle clutch to anybody
-however, if you are 100% positive that you're not going to do any more power mods then a sachs race engineering clutch is a good choice. feels very similar to OEM, still uses the DMF so no rattly noises.
S3: yeah DMF's should last longer than what mine did, but i put it down to the paddle clutch being harsh on it. i would not reccomend a paddle clutch to anybody
just listened to that video from LeeC link and bearing in mind it is in a concrete multi storey car park so sounds are magnified that is horrible.
not much chance i'd get a smf when do mine
not much chance i'd get a smf when do mine
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