**review of KW variant 3 coilovers for LCR **

DOLBY

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Ok so i had these fitted around the 16th feb, so i think i can now give a fairly accurate review of the KW variant 3 coilovers based over a variety of road surfaces, stop start traffic and motorway cruising.
Firstly i should mention my additional modifications, which unfortunately not everyone will have if they eventually decide to upgrade in the future. My review is based on having a front strut brace, rear upper strut brace, 15mm rear spacers and slight negative camber on the fronts.

I went with KW V3 for following reasons by not in this order:

Price - Quality (Inox chrome tubes) - Proven Performance - R&D (Nurburgring where they hold fastest car awards 2006-2008) - KW is a smaller specialist company with 120 staff that specialise in coilovers - No issues with NVH including spring bind & tug'n'release - Versatility of separate rebound/low speed compression making them like a Koni FSD coilover -

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Lowering tools.
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Bound and Rebound adjusters.
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Suspension Day.
I headed down to AmD at a very sprightly 7am just to make sure i wouldnt be late, after arriving at 9am (being late), i handed over the keys and was pleasantly suprised that they offered to drop me off into Lakeside. How cool is that?, unfortunate for you guys i agreed, thats why there are virtually no work in process suspension shots...sorry.
Anyway getting back to AmD at around 11am, i noticed my car was on its test drive to settle the suspension down. Instantly the car looks alot better, the stance is just right. I would imagine the drop to be around 25mm, as that was what i requested. The car will be used around town more than anything else so a compromise had to be met. The car was set up for half comfort on the front and half back. (the rebound was a shock, explanation later).

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After.
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The First Drive.
I pull away quite slowly, first impressions are good. Steering doesnt feel any heavier, but for some reason, even at slow speeds the brakes feel better. I can really feel every road change, every dip, every hole. Unlike the standard suspension, which will crash and squeak, the KWs just give a quiet thud. I should really comment at this point about the low speed ride quality which is fantastic. Its the first time i have had coilovers, but they are 10 times more composed and more compliant than standard, even on half and half, although i may go slightly firmer to get the best out of them.
Approaching the first roundabout i go in a little too fast, and im rewarded with a bit more understeer than i had before, but as i said i can play around with the firmness etc when i get home. The one main thing i noticed was the bouncy ride, this i put down to the front rebound that may need firming up.
After returning home i had someone check the front rebound for me, and was shocked to find it was set on zero. This would account for the bouncy ride. I changed this to 3 quarters which i think is the best compromise for town driving. Now the car feels great around town, but unfortunately the rear rebound will need setting to the same as the front, to get the best from the car.

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Motorway Driving.
Having just left AmD and heading onto the motorway notice the weirdest sensation, the weird sensation is my car not feeling as quick as im initially used to. I have a feeling this is down to the coilovers absorbing every dip and road surface change. Wheras standard shocks would skip over these conditions the KWs are working overtime to get the most grip to the road. Of course you can feel every cats eye on the road, and this is what i wanted. I want to feel the road, getting up to a good speed, you certainly notice any road surface changes in 2 key areas. The first would be in the steering, which now requires you to use both hands now constantly. In the past i have used 1 hand to drive etc, but now i would strongly recommend anyone else not to. You will find the car will follow the road, so if it falls to the left, correction is needed. The second would be the traction...you will find now that the traction control has slightly less to do now, and less nose dive and rear squat. These things you will notice on the slip road approaching the motorway, and the lack of nose dive under braking (if someone pulls out on you), here you will notice your brakes and braking power will be much improved.
The car feels so composed if the road is fairly smooth but if there is a multitude of road changes i.e dips you will notice instantly how bouncy and wallowy the car can feel. There is no question the comfort levels are very high, as the KW engineers have engineered it this way, but you certainly realize you are travelling at speed hense keeping both hands on the wheel i mentioned earlier.
To summarize this...the car feels totally composed on the motorway and comfort levels very high up to the speed limit etc. If you are pressing on you will definately feel the car feeling slightly bouncy where maximum concentration will be required. Im not sure if this is down to the rear rebound not being set up properly...hopefully i can play about with it and get the best ride i can.

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Country Roads.
After setting the front rebound up to be firmer the steering feels so direct now...just how i wanted it to be. So i took the car on some of my favourite B roads to see how it performed.
Getting out on the road, exitement raging and trying to have total faith in my car and my talents as a driver to get the best out of my machine..kinda makes me want to really push on. I notice straight away the KW V3 rides better on all surfaces except high frequency patchwork bumps. When you hit some great B roads my LCR was less prone to become skittish, bouncing and springing into the air and felt so planted that the ride over a series of B-grade patchwork had the R feeling more like a MK5 golf. The body and wheels were so well tied down; this was a major highlight of the initial drive that lasted for 30 mins. When the road texture turns from bad to worse, the KW V3 take the heavy 18”s in their stride.
Approaching my favourite quick left, right bends you can feel the car wanting to press on, but the car is more adjustable than stock shocks. Use the steering a bit more aggressively and you can feel the car digging in that lttle bit more than usual. Hit the brakes and the car slows better than before, hit the fast pedal no squat. Long sweeping corners will take more balls, as you are approaching the bend you can feel the front grip levels digging in and when the grip tails off it is very progressive so your natural inctincts are to back off the fast pedal. This is where the car feels more natural, on motorways it bounces but on quick B roads cambers get absorbed, turn in will be impressive, but at the same time you will have to know when the limit is about to be broken, or the hedge will be staring at you dead in the face.
The current setup of the KW V3 does not have that ultimate connection and roadway feeling that a Bilstein PSS/H&R would likely induce. Advantage of the KW V3 at half settings if that they ride so much better. Like a Koni FSD coilover, only more composed & firmer. In contrast I could toy with the settings to give the KW V3 that Bilstein/H&R responsiveness. The current setup is a nice blend for all combinations of public road driving.

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Summary.
I am very impressed with these coilovers but i think more adjustment may be needed. If you are willing to spend best part of £1100 then you wont be disapointed. I could of quite easily gone for the KW variant 2 coilovers, but eventually my car may see the track, so it need one of the best systems that i can realistically buy. I intend to change certain settings on the car, first i want the front damping slightly firmer, the rear too, with the rebound set up exactly the same. Arbs may even get purchased in the future also, which may affect the suspension for the worst or better...we will see. The car is bumpy, but lets face it a LCR is never comfy in the first place and tbh its not designed to be. Its a fast car so it needs the handling to match. I have no interest in total comfort, im after precision, turn in and power. If you are in the market for variant 3 my advice will be to persevere with it as they are a PITA to get correct...lets not forget only a select few will be using this car for a track permanately. Set the car up half and half with same rebound to start with and go from there. You will be suprised....

The benefits are:

• Ride in town, on motorways and over large bumps or very rough terrain is superior; firm & composed.
• Handling and speed of chassis.
• Braking.
• Level of grip improved further with less electronic traction control intervention.
• Adjustability: Both ride height and dampening of rebound/low speed compression.
• Build quality – Inox chrome steel less prone to rust.
• Noise, vibration and harshness - esp noise which is better than OEM
 
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alx_chung

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Great review man! Thanks for taking the time out and writing it.
I am getting similar feelings with my Koni FSD and Eibach Pro springs combination on my Leon 1P PD140, just need to put more miles on it for it to bed in properly :D
Alex
 

DOLBY

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thanks alex, variant 3 reviews are pretty thin on the ground for a LCR...im planning on adding to this thread as and when i change certain things on the car. others are welcome to add their own experiences with the coilovers too...

i want a firm composed ride, not too fussed with comfort at the moment, but for an everyday car half and half is about right for the bound and the same for rebound....for fast road use which i intending mine to be 90% of the time the other 10% for the track im gonna go for 3 quarters firm front and back with same rebound...its just playing about with it till im happy etc...
 

alx_chung

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Yep. Review for Coilovers or even different springs/shocks combinations are thin on the ground. My car is a daily driver so I just wanted something that would let me feel the road and be less crashy and harsh as the OEM setup. The lowering is a plus but the ride is so much better now.
For me I didn't go for the coilover route because I am not mechanically minded and don't really have the time to experiment to get the best setup on a set of Coilovers so the upgraded shocks and springs was the best option for me.
Alex
 

Willie

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Great write up Bret, sounds like you will be adding to the coiover knowledge on here for the LCR which is needed. Sounds like your sussing out how to set these up better too which is great too. As you have said about the KWV3's I cannot see why anyone would pay £100 less for the V2's, surely these will be dropped
 

DanGB

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Bret you forgot the bit about the Free fitting offer :)

I had KW V3's fitted about 6 months ago (took advantage of the offer) after upgrading from Eibach Coiolvers (equal to V1's). Didnt notice too much difference apart from being harder as standard, but Im never one to notice changes much lol.
I have noticed a knocking sound at low speeds when the car is cart (first few mins of journey) but have been told this is normal and know someone else with the same issue.
 

DOLBY

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Great write up Bret, sounds like you will be adding to the coiover knowledge on here for the LCR which is needed. Sounds like your sussing out how to set these up better too which is great too. As you have said about the KWV3's I cannot see why anyone would pay £100 less for the V2's, surely these will be dropped

thanks mate, i am going to be getting some neuspeed 25mm front 28mm back arbs in the next few days...then it will be booked in for more adjustment and allignment again. Im sure there is a lot of camber on the nearside front. A friend pointed it out to me, so this will be checked.
I hope the review covered most bases but as i will be adding to it, at the moment the car isnt at its full potential (i think), its all about playing with the settings. Hopefully a few hours setting it up and i will be happy.

regarding the V2, yep i think they are virtually priced out the market now. you can make the variant 3s perform like the variant 2s but change them when you want to.
i was more suprised the rebound wasnt set up tbh...:shrug:

Bret you forgot the bit about the Free fitting offer :)

oh yeh i forgot, i got mine free fitting and allignment...:headhurt:
 

DOLBY

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I had KW V3's fitted about 6 months ago (took advantage of the offer) after upgrading from Eibach Coiolvers (equal to V1's). Didnt notice too much difference apart from being harder as standard, but Im never one to notice changes much lol.
I have noticed a knocking sound at low speeds when the car is cart (first few mins of journey) but have been told this is normal and know someone else with the same issue.

The main 1 thing i have noticed since the 1st day of fitting, well actually since my write up, is that they seem to be getting better and better all the time. ive never had coilovers before so this may be a stupid question....do they take a certain amount of time to bed in or should they be great from the beginning?, reason i ask is town driving seems to be getting better and better, and when the time comes to put my foot down im not rewarded with a car that wants to plough straight on. Cant wait to see how these are with ARBS. Actually the whole point of me investing that much money was to save money on arbs..lol....

tbh bud i havent noticed that knocking sound you noticed.
 

Willie

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Bret the whole system will take time to bed in, this is the first time these coilovers have been subjected to all the weight and forces they have been built to take same with the new top mount bushes and bearings.
I would suggest that 25mm 'might' be too stiff.
I fitted the 23mm and am feeling a change in the suspension feel as the bar transfers more of the shocks to the shocks. With a stiffer front bar you will need to soften the front rebound settings, if you are close to the softest settings just now I would worry about this.
I haven't felt what the 25mm ones feel like and also the 23mm R32 one is £100 all in.
 

Willie

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Well fitted my V3's today.
Holey ****, this has totally transformed my car beyond belief.
Will get the 4 wheel alignment done tomorrow and carry on the testing.
Rear feels a little too bouncy just now but will let this settle and see what happen.
I'll post back on here with my reviews and set up details
 

Willie

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Willy TBH I'm well impressed with this set up.

23mm front ARB, 28mm rear ARB set to stiff and S3 strutt brace with uprated bushes
 

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How long did the installation take. How much has the car dropped.
Has the collies inspired more confidence in the car.
 

Willie

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The installation took say 6 hours including setting up and driving between to settle these.
I have dropped the car 25mm just now but will play with this as the rear looks a little too much.
Confidence is massive, I did have 96,000 mile OEM suspension on so anything would have been a big change. The car feels like a go cart now. Very like my 106 GTI (dropped 30mm) felt like before.
I'll do a proper write up as I change/suss out things and also will be updating my RR thread with pictures etc
 

Willie

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Well I've had these on for 3 days now. Testing is going well on country roads but with having to stick to the speed limit and my side of the road I'm not even getting near the limit of my set up.
Car Spec

KWV3's, bump set to 1 turn, rebound on the front set to 1.5 turns (9 clicks) rebound set on the rear to 2 turns (12 clicks) and car dropped front and rear 25mm 4 wheel alignment done.

28mm rear adjustable ARB set to stiffest setting
23mm front ARB, S3 strutt brace, uprated wish bone (swing arm bushes). Uprated engine, transmission and gear box mounts.

Tyres Good Year Eagle F1 Asymmetric 225-40-18 set to 36 PSI

Ball joints new, track rods new and top mount bushes and bearings new also.

So initially when this set up was put on I was very worried about how the ride would feel. The car will be going on the track ASAP but just now it is my family car. We stay 20 miles outside a city so a daily commute brings us down country roads that are in a pretty bad way. This has exposed the coilovers harshness on medium to large ruts and bumps. The small ones are dispensed with no cabin rattle or crashes. The large ones no problem either.
This is a stiff set up and not a car now you would take your Granny up back roads in if you liked her, lol.

But this car is going in one direction only, track and fast road car for me and a new family car will be bought.

For me the back roads is where I have my fun. I don't get any joy out of going V max on straight roads. Thankfully this is where the cars set up comes into its own. The stiffness and bumpiness is still there but the wheels are very difficult to get to leave the ground and traction just always seems to be there. Initially I hadn't check my tyre pressure for two weeks so was unsure of what pressure they were at. So when pressing on I was getting what felt like tyre wall flex which was giving a bit of an unnerving feeling when really pressing on. On checking the pressures I found one of the tyres down 3PSI on standard running pressure (33PSI).
I have now inflated all tyres to 36PSI the recommended hot running pressure for track driving and all is now well. With this sorted out the drive is hugely better. Around corners there is zero body roll, zero oversteer and zero understeer. As said above, this is sticking to speed limits so once on the track I'm sure I'll find the limits more easily.
With brain in maximum attack mode I really cannot get under or over steer on big roundabouts. Even when gunning it and lifting off. There seems to be SO much grip that nothing unsettles it.

To finish this initial write up.
I have never had coilovers before, the last car I had (106 GTI) was lowered 30mm on springs and shocks. I am almost happy to say that the Leon now has more grip and better handling than the 106, and it was amazing.
I am very very impressed with this set up. As Dolby said, if you want coilovers for handling and your not willing to compromise the handling for any price you could do alot worse than the KWV3's. Admittedly the large amount of setting changes that can be a bit daunting but working at it you will be able to get the set up and feel you want for your particular driving style.
Once I get a bit of track action on the go I'll add my thoughts and what changes I've made to the settings.
 

Willie

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Further to the above, when having a spirited drive on back roads I need to have the ESP switched off. This seems to be getting very confused or else I have front and rear wheel lift on sharp fast corners making the car brake the inner wheel to maintain constant wheel speed.
 

DOLBY

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nice one willie, thats a cool write up.
As you know i had the same feeling on the rear(bouncyness), which tbh i still havent sorted out....anyways glad you are happy with them cos im the same as you with regard to the amount of grip available. it inspires so much confidence, putting your foot down as you approach a bend is quite fun, because it just bites in and bites in.......and this grip is still good with the bouncy rear rebound...

i need 2 new tyres soon (F1 assymetrics) which will go straight to the rear so their is even more grip on the back....

btw you got any piccys mate?
 
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