LCR Owners w/Remaps - I Need Your Input Please

[Feel]

...and just to confuse you even further, you can't go wrong with Revo's backup and support.

I had Revo on my 210, and I've been in many other remapped LCR's, Stage 1 and Stage 2 etc. Mainly Revo, APR and CC. Not been in a P-Torque one.

My conclusion is that there is not a great deal in the maps themselves, apart from Revo often made more at RR days (depending on the owner's setup of the car with the Boost and Timing settings)

One of the best features or a remap is being able to change settings, but unfortunately this leads to owners turning it up and I beleive this is where "Revo is aggresive" comes in. I ran mine on B9, T6 quite often because, quite frankly, the shove in the back it gives you is addictive but it's not the way to make top end power.

If you're unsure, I would think of the support that you might need - having a Revo dealer just round the corner is a great way to get backup on things like split DV, bust hoses, duff N75's etc etc.

 

[D.K]

Here's my print out Sorry if it's not very clear.
Mod's at the time were AmD Stage 1 map, Forge Split-R, Smoothed and drilled airbox with 3" feed pipe. 274.2 BHP & 295.2 lb/ft

 

[chrisphysics]

even when you are sitting in 6th on the motorway at 85 the engine is sitting at 3400 rpm which is slightly higher than standard but you have boost on tap

Perhaps i'm reading something wrong here but unless you've had your gearbox out and fitted custom cogs then at 85mph (or any other speed for that matter) you'll be running the same rpms (for that given speed in the same gear) as everyone else with a LCR

 

[DOLBY]

Perhaps i'm reading something wrong here but unless you've had your gearbox out and fitted custom cogs then at 85mph (or any other speed for that matter) you'll be running the same rpms (for that given speed in the same gear) as everyone else with a LCR

nope, when my car was standard 6th gear was a cruising gear, as soon as it was mapped i noticed higher rpms in 6th...thats why it pulls like a 4th gear

 

[dav3]

I have an LCR 210 and with a AmD map and everything in my sig other than coldside relocation I got 260 bhp and 260ft/lb's on a humid day. Waiting till feb to see what I get on cold day

 

[chrisphysics]

nope, when my car was standard 6th gear was a cruising gear, as soon as it was mapped i noticed higher rpms in 6th...thats why it pulls like a 4th gear

Well as I said, unless they got the gear box out and physically swapped parts you're wrong.
Gear ratio's are fixed, it's a mechanical part and nothing besides different cogs and wheel sizes (perhaps tire height to a small degree) will change this.

A remap can change boost and torque (& thus power) at different rpms but not speed.
I can't understand how anyone could possibily think this is possible?
Come one someone back me up.

 

[DOLBY]

Well as I said, unless they got the gear box out and physically swapped parts you're wrong.
Gear ratio's are fixed, it's a mechanical part and nothing besides different cogs and wheel sizes (perhaps tire height to a small degree) will change this.

A remap can change boost and torque (& thus power) at different rpms but not speed.
I can't understand how anyone could possibily think this is possible?
Come one someone back me up.

tbh honest bud i dont understand what you are chatting about..(well i do really)..i cant prove it, but before mapping my car was quiet as a mouse at 85mph but after the map is was pretty buzzy in there esecially at 3500 rpm....

im know rocket scientist bud..

 

[Mylo]

mph @ X rpm never changes so you are right

Dolby is trying to say the remap saves having to drop a gear as it's like 4th used to be

think that covers it lol

 

[DOLBY]

cheers mylo....was getting all techy lol

 

[JamJay]

If you want to come up to the London Meet in Jan I'll take you out in mine which has an AmD map.
It's easier to feel the power than discribe it.

Thanks, I shall have to take you up on that if you still don't mind. Those seem to me to be impressive figures but I know from previous experience numbers aren't always everything.

So just reading on, I see DAV3 has the same map and similar mods as yourself, so how come the outputs are quite different (274bhp/260bp & 295lbft/260lbft)?

I see DAV3 that yours is a 210 AMK, so D.K, if yours is a 225 BAM will that be the difference?

 

[JamJay]

Can't comment on a remap on an LCR, but I got my LC done @ F1BTN in Brighton.

The lads down there are very knowledgeable, and Si is a die-hard VW fan.

Customer service was fantastic!!

Plus if you get it done there you'll have the fun of driving back up the road to Gatiwck

Which map do they offer? Is it one of their own? I agree, the drive home would be fiun

I guess you are right, having the 007 and induction kit on 1st would be a better option. I am going to go for an open cone, purely for a little noise really, is there a particular one that can be recommended or any to stay away from that compliment/do not compliment remaps? I was looking at the Neuspeed P-Flow or Jabbasport although if a simple K&N at a reasonable £75 will be just as affective, i'll be able to afford the 007 with ease and have them fitted at the same time.

I also know that this differs to personal taste but I do like hearing the sound of the turbo, not Subaru volumes of it with Bailey's etc but will fitting the 007 the 'other way around' affect remap performance potential?

 

[dmmsta]

Which map do they offer? Is it one of their own? I agree, the drive home would be fiun

I guess you are right, having the 007 and induction kit on 1st would be a better option. I am going to go for an open cone, purely for a little noise really, is there a particular one that can be recommended or any to stay away from that compliment/do not compliment remaps? I was looking at the Neuspeed P-Flow or Jabbasport although if a simple K&N at a reasonable £75 will be just as affective, i'll be able to afford the 007 with ease and have them fitted at the same time.

I also know that this differs to personal taste but I do like hearing the sound of the turbo, not Subaru volumes of it with Bailey's etc but will fitting the 007 the 'other way around' affect remap performance potential?

F1BTN do Custom-Code.

Air Filter - Open cone is alright, but you open yourself up to the possible affects of heat soak (obviously not this time of year so much). Quite a few people get Green Cotton panel filters & smooth the air-box (little project during Xmas??) I'm running a Raid HP filter, which is any enclosed type, and you still do hear the DV sound. As for fitting, it's pretty simple to do, for both the air filter & DV, took me about an hour to do both!!

DV fitments won't affect remap potential, however, the 007P fitted the other way round is quite annoying after a while. Having run an HKS SSQV on my Celica GT4 I'm used to noisy DV's, but the Forge unit doesn't quite make the right sound somehow...much prefer it fitted the quite way round, and keep the street sleeper approach.

If you speak with F1BTN they may be able to do you a price for everything in a bundle?? Have a word with Si.

 

[dav3]

So just reading on, I see DAV3 has the same map and similar mods as yourself, so how come the outputs are quite different (274bhp/260bp & 295lbft/260lbft)?

I see DAV3 that yours is a 210 AMK, so D.K, if yours is a 225 BAM will that be the difference?[/QUOTE]

I belive it's because the AMK & BAM engines have different internals. Even tho I'm running less torque than D.K, mine feels like his when you put foot down.

 

[S3 AKR]

I used to have a Revo'd S3 210hp and all I can say is that when I remap the VRs I will be using Revo again, my Leon PD150 is Revo'd and I like the fact I can switch it off. Having a local dealer would be enough to sway me to Revo just because he has the workshops and can find/fix any minor issues just incase the remap exposes any that would otherwise remain unnoticed.

The S3 did 20k miles under my ownership once remapped and it was excellent throughout with no issues at all. I did change the DV for a Forge item, changed the turbo intake pipe (TIP) and uprated the N75 from F to J.

The TIP made the power smoother and more progressive as the new silicon hose didn't deform under the extra strain of all that air being sucked in, the DV made sod all difference to my car but looked really nice, the N75J for £40 made a very notable difference and added the icing to the cake. All in all, I think these mods are essentail and relatively cheap with a generic remap to get the most from it, but that said, if you remapped and did nothing else at all you'd still enjoy it - you'll not regret it.

If I were remapping my PD150 again, I'd use Jabba but only because I'd have it done on the RR to factor in the other bits and bobs since bolted on and to really get the most from the car, but thats more about a generic map vs a custom map rather than Revo vs Jabba.

 

[S3 AKR]

PS - for what it's worth, the PD150 has covered 70k miles since being Revo'd with 5k on the clock and absolutely nothing has gone wrong other than a glow plug which is not at all related to it being mapped. So in combination with the S3 I've covered 90k in Revo'd cars without any problems.

 

[D.K]

Thanks, I shall have to take you up on that if you still don't mind. Those seem to me to be impressive figures but I know from previous experience numbers aren't always everything.

So just reading on, I see DAV3 has the same map and similar mods as yourself, so how come the outputs are quite different (274bhp/260bp & 295lbft/260lbft)?

I see DAV3 that yours is a 210 AMK, so D.K, if yours is a 225 BAM will that be the difference?

Mine has done a few less miles than Dav3's and it had recently been serviced. Also different engine's will run differently.
Oh and mine is special

AmD are have a rolling Road day on the 22nd Feb, Might be worth coming along if you havent sorted it by then.

 

[jake]

i have had two lcr one with apr and one with custom code, were now agents for custom code, but this hasn't swayed my judgement, i have had the trial of revo, revo seemed to hold boost better top end ie motorway than the apr did, but it was initially more aggresive, but that was only the trial so could not be taylored. the apr was very progressive just like the standard map but holing better to the red line, the custom code is a mixture of both, i prefer it as it was about right for my style of driving,

its up to you really, i think it also come to price, there isnt really much in the way of performance from all three so for me if your never going stage two i would go for cost effectivness.

on a side not, dont go with an open cone filter, t is counter productive in the engine bay, either change jsut the panelfilter for an uprated on ie green or go for a relocated one in the wing

jake

 

[stevegti6]

custom code all the way very good map

 

[BoomhaueR]

I don't have experience of any other maps to compare, but I went with Revo and don't regret it at all. It's fantastic. Loads of power when you want it. The main reason, however, was for the sps switch that allows you to select between stock and custom performance maps/settings, and the anti theft mode that immobilises the ecu. Insurers love it! And so do I. Peace of mind, and big grins every time when you plant the right foot.

EDIT: And I agree with jake about the open cone filter. I am upgrading the panel filter and smoothing the airbox, plus adding a big cold air feed. Already have the 007p. Silicon TIP is on the list too.

 

[JamJay]

Mine has done a few less miles than Dav3's and it had recently been serviced. Also different engine's will run differently.
Oh and mine is special

AmD are have a rolling Road day on the 22nd Feb, Might be worth coming along if you havent sorted it by then.

I'll bare that date in mind and let you know, thanks .

Mine has under 30k still so I hope that it will take the remap quite nicely.