Rear parking Sensors on FR

Jumbo

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Having felt the Dealer quote to fit rear sensors was too steep I am thinking of fitting an after market set. Salesman tells me that with the wiring on the Leon it may not be a simple operation to connect. Something to do with the wiring set up and that it may upset other functions in the car.
Does anyone know if this is true or has anyone fitted sensors and if so where is the nearest cable connection and what colour of wire should I be looking for.

Thanks in advance for any help
 

Maximus2000uk

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I had my sensors fitted away from the dealer for exactly the same reason. I fitted a Valeo set which work very well and I found that the standard dark grey colour of the sensors, matches perfectly with the dark grey piece of plastic at the back of my FR...I see you have a 550 so it would be the same for you.

The chap who fitted them with me, I sat there watching, said that it was hard work because he needed to find the correct wiring to the reversing light...not helped by the fact that the light is on the boot lid, which has to be raised to actually get into the boot and wire! I cannot remember which wire he found was the right one, only that it was a difficult job. Send an email to serenemotors (i think thats the right name) who may be able to advise you - he sent me the dealer fitting instructions for my front sensors so he can possibly do likewise for the rear sensors.

There are some photos of mine, fully fitted, somewhere on this site, but I cant remember in which post!

Good luck!

Max
 

ghosty

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i also sat and chatted to the (independant) guy who fitted our parking sensors and it did take a while to get the wiring loom out but he seemed to know where to look for it as he said it was the same setup as a golf.

same as maximus, he connected the sensors to the reverse parking light and then put everything back into the compartment in the passengers side of the boot. i can have a look at what he did with the writing if i get a chance later on tonite.

i cant be any more technical than that im afriad ;)
g
 

flakmunky

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I bought and fitted some Cobra ParkMaster sensors to my A4. They are better than the ones my Seat dealer fitted to my FR, they have a quicker response. The thing I like about them most is that they have an infinitely variable bip-bip, ie there aren't four stages. It gives you a much better idea of how close you are getting. I would recommend them - about £70 plus a £10 for paint... Two wires - one spliced in to the reversing light live and the other to ground.

Other neat thing is that you calibrate them once they are fitted which means that if you have a towbar fitted they won't give a false postive.
 

uuf361

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I'm having mine fitted by the dealer - only £95 - how much were others quoted ?
 

chrisboyle999

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I'm having mine fitted by the dealer - only £95 - how much were others quoted ?

i'm guessing that is the labour charge only and the sensors are additional :confused:.

anyway, the dealer fitted ones are in fact cobra ones with their mark up on.

heres the exact same kit, CLICKY

cupra and fr are the easiest to fit as they dont need colour coded if you put them in the diffuser area.
that said, i got mine fitted for me as i couldnt get the rear bumper off on my own:whistle:.
 

uuf361

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i'm guessing that is the labour charge only and the sensors are additional :confused:.

anyway, the dealer fitted ones are in fact cobra ones with their mark up on.

heres the exact same kit, CLICKY

cupra and fr are the easiest to fit as they dont need colour coded if you put them in the diffuser area.
that said, i got mine fitted for me as i couldnt get the rear bumper off on my own:whistle:.


No that is the whole and entire cost..........have it here in front of me on my order............have I done well then ?
 

ghosty

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£95 all in, sounds like a pretty good deal to me. my dealer wanted to charge me £300 for that!!

i said no thanks to that as i wanted them mounted onto the bumper itself anyway and the dealer wouldnt mount them there. and the guy i used didnt need to take the bumper off to fit the sensors either as he knew where all the wiring was.

(sorry didnt get u any pics yesterday cos busy, will try again tonite)
cheers,
g :)
 

Xe

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I see in the cobra kit that there is a little speaker. I assume this is for the blip-blip sounds, where is this normally mounted? I also assume you have to drill holes in your back bumper? Has anyone done this themselves? As long as you can drill and neatly fix the sensors, it seems a quite easy mod. I also assume that it is all contained within the rear of the car, and I would not need to touch anything in the front half of the car.

Someone mentioned that "cupra and fr are the easiest to fit as they don't need colour coded if you put them in the diffuser area." Is that the dark grey number plate area? If so surely you would not have enough of a wide angle for the corners of the car? Even if these were put on the bumper like seats OEM version, they look like they would blend in on a black car. Or are they grey?

Any photos of people doing it themselves specially the cobra version (even if you got them professionally done)?

*EDIT* Just had a look around at prices. What makes the cobra ones better then other products? As they seem a bit expensive compared to the competition.
 
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HALFORDS do a kit 200 squid and free fitting at the moment for a 4 sensor one.Reckon i'll go for that 1 on my fr.Paint colour code is about 15.99 i think?It has a visual display in the rear roof line as well as audible signal.
Anyone had 1 of these fitted? I reckon the 4 sensor 1 needs mounting actually on the bumper hence needing colour coding i presume? Stealers wanted 250 +vat and they won't colour code them.They reckon it interferes with the signal.
 

ghosty

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stealers are just full of it

they want to charge you more, and dont want to provide what the customer actually wants!! :doh:

g :)
 

Xe

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Has anyone tried the "Electro magnetic parking sensors"? They say that you don't need to drill holes, and you just stick the strip along the inside on your bumper. They seem much better then the crappy dot radar sensors, I think they also use the Electro magnetic parking sensors on high end cars. Linky & Miles Better & Video installation


Ultrasonic or Electromagnetic

There are generally two types of sensors - Ultrasonic and Electromagnetic Systems.

Ultrasonic sensors emit a signal that gets reflected back off any nearby obstacles. The closer the sensor gets to the object, the quicker the reflected signal reaches the sensor. A circuit is activated to give an audible warning, usually a similarly quickening beat.

Electromagnetic systems work by creating an electromagnetic field in the vicinity of the sensors. Any object that intrudes into this invisible 'force field' triggers a warning.

The Ultrasonic type is far more common but the Electromagnetic systems offer a preferred alternative in some situations.

With Ultrasonics, it is necessary for the sensor to have clear vision, which usually means that tiny holes must be drilled in the bumper.

Electromagnetic systems do not look for a reflected signal, instead they create a wide electromagnetic force-field and this can extend through and beyond the car's body panels. For this reason, this type of sensor can be fitted behind the bumper so that no externally visible alteration is required, although the bumper and/or underbody panel will need to be removed in order to fit the system.

This type of parking sensor system is also useful for vehicles with externally mounted wheels or accessories - a spare wheel on the back of a 4x4, for example, or a cycle rack. These can cause false triggering or inaccurate warnings when used with ultrasonic systems. Electromagnetic systems ignore fixed items that are already present and look for changes to the surrounding area.

Electromagnetic Parking Sensors Or Ultrasonic Parking Sensors - Which One To Choose

Parking is no more a child’s play as it used to be, when parking spaces were large. The situation gets worse for the driver, especially when parking in unfamiliar and tight places. Often the cars get dents in the bumpers or underbody panel while reversing. There are every chances of colliding with bollards or low wall lying behind the car, which are not visible through rear view mirror. This problem can be effectively solved by parking sensors, which makes driving easier and safer. The sensors are fitted at the front and back of the car. These determine the proximity of an obstruction behind the car and provide an audible warning to the drive.

In some vehicles, sensors come as factory-fitted item. Further, there are different parking sensors available in market to fit different vehicles. However, since there are different parking sensors it is quite difficult to determine their efficiency without knowing their operational capabilities.

Types of Parking Sensors

In general, the parking sensors can be divided into two categories - Electromagnetic systems and Ultrasonic systems.

Essentially, the ultrasonic sensor emits an ultrasonic signal, which is reflected by an obstruction. When the sensor gets closer to the object, it starts emitting signals faster to the sensor. This signal is converted into audible sound. This is received in the form of an audible warning. Depending on the distance of the object, the beat of the audible sound lowers or grows louder. The driver has to react to the audible noise.

The ultrasonic system is an older technology with 4 to 6 sensors mounted in the bumper and are visible to all. In order to mount the sensors, holes have to be drilled in the bumper that might spoil the look of your car. Further, you need to paint them to match color of the bumper. Some of the cars enclose crash protection bar behind the bumper, in such cases the ultrasonic system has to be installed in depth of the bumpers. There are quite a lot of hassles involved with ultrasonic parking sensors, which has popularized the more competent system of electromagnetic sensors. The electromagnetic sensors have overcome the shortcomings of the ultrasonic parking sensors to a greater extent.

The PD1 is one of the most successful parking systems making use of the unique Electromagnetic Technology, which is typical with only a few privileged cars manufacturers. These sensors are immaculately designed to be fitted easily, without compromising with the ‘new factory look’ of your car. This electromagnetic system operates by creating an electromagnetic field in the vicinity of the sensors. Any kind of intrusion in the force field generates a warning.

In contrast to Ultrasonic technology with 4 to 6 exposed sensors, which requires regular cleaning and maintenance, the electromagnetic technology is concealed and self diagnostic. Therefore, it requires no maintenance.

Some of the cars have edges on the bumpers, projecting from the rest of the body. Most often these edges are battered, since the driver is unable to see the corners. The electromagnetic units are designed to avoid such collisions. The antenna of the electromagnetic system covers the entire length of the bumper, which detects objects at the corners and sides.

Further, the electromagnetic parking sensors have no visible parts. These are fitted discretely and are hidden. It is only the driver who knows that it is fitted. It ensures that there is no problem with installation. The PD1 can be fitted without drilling the bumper and it is completely discrete and invisible when on the vehicle. With the electromagnetic sensors your car now has higher value and is a more desirable car.
 
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seremotors

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the parking sensors supplied by SEAT are actually made by Cobra - £100 + vat and around an hour labour. I fitted them to mine on the diffuser skirt as they are far bigger than factory fit sensors which are barely noticeable on the painted bumper cover. They dont pick up as much on the angle and I use my mirrors a lot more when reversing but they definitely effective. One downside is that because they are so low down, they pick up kerbs etc but you get used to how they work and can do some good close parking. This all begs the question - why can SEAT not do factory fit park distance control on the FR/Cupra yet do it as an option on other models?????

ps anyone wants a wiring diagram faxed across to help installation, let me know ;)
 

flakmunky

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I see in the cobra kit that there is a little speaker. I assume this is for the blip-blip sounds, where is this normally mounted? I also assume you have to drill holes in your back bumper? Has anyone done this themselves? As long as you can drill and neatly fix the sensors, it seems a quite easy mod. I also assume that it is all contained within the rear of the car, and I would not need to touch anything in the front half of the car.

Someone mentioned that "cupra and fr are the easiest to fit as they don't need colour coded if you put them in the diffuser area." Is that the dark grey number plate area? If so surely you would not have enough of a wide angle for the corners of the car? Even if these were put on the bumper like seats OEM version, they look like they would blend in on a black car. Or are they grey?

Any photos of people doing it themselves specially the cobra version (even if you got them professionally done)?

*EDIT* Just had a look around at prices. What makes the cobra ones better then other products? As they seem a bit expensive compared to the competition.

I did this myself to my A4. Colour coding is easy and worth doing - get your oven on very low to bake them off and you can fit them in a day...

I can post some piccys of my Cobra system fitted & sprayed. Yes, all in the back end of the car, two wires only. Speaker can go anywhere you like. Cobra system is more 'analogue' in that there aren't four types of Bip-Bip like most systems, eg Bip....Bip....Bip..Bip..Bip.Beeeep on most systems, Bip......Bip.....Bip....Bip...Bip..Bip.Beeep which makes it much better to judge how fast you shoul be going. With my 'Seat installed' system (£200 btw) you could jump to Beeeep from the first state very easily. Very worrying.

EDIT - My 'Seat' ones weren't Cobra!
 

Xe

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Think I will be going the Electromagnetic route as I think its a more advanced system. Cheers David for the wiring diagram ;)
 

flakmunky

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Aug 23, 2005
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Make sure you clean the inside of the bumper thoroughly. I couldn't go with that because the inside of my bumper wasn't flat...

Any way, electromagnetism gives you cancer, man!
 

Xe

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Make sure you clean the inside of the bumper thoroughly. I couldn't go with that because the inside of my bumper wasn't flat...

Any way, electromagnetism gives you cancer, man!

lol funny man. New bumpers so no need to clean :p
 

uuf361

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Mine are going to be dealer fit and colour coded (made them specifiy that on the order as I didn't want black sensors on a white car!:lol:
 
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