big bhp for Cupra

[ZBOYD]

Here you go mate. Looks like your figures are almost identical

Still a little down on power compared to the Ed30's with similar modifications. I think it shows the map may need a bit of a tweak by APR. They have spent more time with the Ed30. They did hands on work with it when they were over at Awesome earlier in the year. They didn't look at the Cupra.

But the power is as smooth as you like.

 

[Al]

Still a little down on power compared to the Ed30's with similar modifications. I think it shows the map may need a bit of a tweak by APR. They have spent more time with the Ed30. They did hands on work with it when they were over at Awesome earlier in the year. They didn't look at the Cupra.

But the power is as smooth as you like.

I am sure the lads there will keep it all right though mate. As updates come you will be sure to get them and the car is not going to be running on the edge of capacity which will surely help with component longevity

Certainly, using Ben and Igor by comparison on the same rollers, APR figures do look lower even with the fuel pump being on the APR cars, but the graphs on the APR cars with pumps look good. Also, more importantly, you can be guaranteed you are not going to be running lean by way of 30-40 Bar fuel rail differetial between requested and delivery pressure and have the code drop boost to make up for the shortfall.

The car I am looking forward to seeing on the dyno is Igors with the Stage 2+ Revo code and his Autotech fuel pump. 327bhp and 394ft-lbs (on awesomes rollers) with the standard pump and stage 1 code should have already been beaten from what Bob has said just by driving it on stage 2 code and autotech pump upgrade. Another upgrade to stage 2+ should surely see over 340bhp

 

[lasbazrre]

As i understand it from Ben CTR ( Vtec Abuser on Audisport.net ) recons Awesome are using new software on there rollers and Ben's car was down on the figures he got with you boys last month?

The fuel pump really does give the midrange a shove , the curve is nearly FLAT!!!! bit pricey though.

ZBOYD do APR have some sort of loader/switch to turn the map on and off?

Does APR code still increment the flash count?

Thanks

leon

 

[ZBOYD]

As i understand it from Ben CTR ( Vtec Abuser on Audisport.net ) recons Awesome are using new software on there rollers and Ben's car was down on the figures he got with you boys last month?

The fuel pump really does give the midrange a shove , the curve is nearly FLAT!!!! bit pricey though.

ZBOYD do APR have some sort of loader/switch to turn the map on and off?

Does APR code still increment the flash count?

Thanks

leon

Yep they had some problems with it initially due to a software change then a sensor went on the braking system for the rollers.

But there does seem to have been an alteration, however the power on the Cupra's is still a little less than on Ed30's even with the changes. Even if it reads slightly lower than before, I still think its one of the more repeatable RR's around.

Controlled via the cruise control stalk, EMCS. 2 programs stock and performance on mine. Not sure about throttle body reset and fault code reset on the TFSI.

Nope no effect on the flash count.

 

[H8T WP]

Controlled via the cruise control stalk, EMCS. 2 programs stock and performance on mine. Not sure about throttle body reset and fault code reset on the TFSI.

So is there new menu added to the bluetooth screen? which enables you to switch between maps?

*** Ahh to answer my own question see here ***

EMCS

EMCS is available for this car. EMCS is APR's revolutionary patent pending Enhanced Modular Chipping System. EMCS is an industry leading technology that brings many new features to the automotive enthusiast. This technology was developed exclusively by Audi Performance & Racing, LLC and demonstrates APR's continued commitment to lead the industry with the most technologically advanced products available.

Want chipped mode? Want to be able to switch back to your stock settings? Want a race mode to run 100 octane fuel at the track? How about a valet mode that limits power? EMCS is the lone technology on the market that can give you all of these options. No changing of the chip or ECU is required. These programs are available at the touch of a button.

APR has taken your cruise control buttons and utilized them for this function. Your cruise control will continue to function as normal, but will give you the ability to scroll through the programs you have purchased on your APR chipped ECU. The procedure is simple and involves only two steps.

Step 1: Press and hold the "set" button on your cruise control. After approximately five seconds, the "check engine" light on your dash will begin to blink once per second. This will tell you that you are activating program one. This blinking sequence will continue for approximately five seconds.

After this five second interval, the "check engine" light will begin blinking twice per second. This will indicate that you have activated the second program. This process is continued to access any remaining programs you may have purchased. (three blinks = program three, four blinks = program four).

Step 2: Once you have activated the desired program, simply release the "set" button. The "check engine" light will go off, and you will be locked in that program until you change it.

It's that simple.

 

[Al]

As i understand it from Ben CTR ( Vtec Abuser on Audisport.net ) recons Awesome are using new software on there rollers and Ben's car was down on the figures he got with you boys last month?

The fuel pump really does give the midrange a shove , the curve is nearly FLAT!!!! bit pricey though.

It does not have to be that (APR) pricey though mate. The APR pump although very pricey, has been made up, pressure tested and is ready to be fitted to a car.

The KMD pump upgrade is "only" £200 for the internals of the pump (which by the way is a lot of money for what it is you get) and the whole process takes approx 1 hour to take the pump off, upgrade internals and tefit to car. Even paying £50-£75 an hour for labour getting someone else to do it for you works out at about £300 including a new follower.

Bang for buck, this is better than a decent intake and second only to a remap.

Note for those will H model pumps on the Cupra - there have been issues with some H model pumps having different sizes used for the pump casing and internals (0.1mm different) which results in the car not running worth a toss when the upgrade is done. J model pumps have so far proved no problem. The cars that have experienced this issue are so far limited to the Leon Cupra, in particular the K1.

 

[lasbazrre]

Yep they had some problems with it initially due to a software change then a sensor went on the braking system for the rollers.

But there does seem to have been an alteration, however the power on the Cupra's is still a little less than on Ed30's even with the changes. Even if it reads slightly lower than before, I still think its one of the more repeatable RR's around.

Yeah i think Awesomes rollers are decent too , but some of the remapped lads was a bit miffed that the Std cars were making so much over book , while the mapped cars wasn't making what the tuners claim , and the fact that they can only give us a ATW figure in 4WD.

So were having our next RR day at Prosport in Stockport ( Subaru specialists with a good rep ) ive been down there and give it a whirl , i made slightly less BHP , but more torque than Awesome 280bhp and up to 300lbft Std ( it was 24 degrees when i got back in the car )

Anybody around next saturday 28th June and fancy a run or a nose at what the S3's are making come down.

Thanks

leon

 

[lasbazrre]

It does not have to be that (APR) pricey though mate. The APR pump although very pricey, has been made up, pressure tested and is ready to be fitted to a car.

The KMD pump upgrade is "only" £200 for the internals of the pump (which by the way is a lot of money for what it is you get) and the whole process takes approx 1 hour to take the pump off, upgrade internals and tefit to car. Even paying £50-£75 an hour for labour getting someone else to do it for you works out at about £300 including a new follower.

Bang for buck, this is better than a decent intake and second only to a remap.

Note for those will H model pumps on the Cupra - there have been issues with some H model pumps having different sizes used for the pump casing and internals (0.1mm different) which results in the car not running worth a toss when the upgrade is done. J model pumps have so far proved no problem. The cars that have experienced this issue are so far limited to the Leon Cupra, in particular the K1.

Ive just been told that GIAC do there own fuel pump internals for £250-ish ( don't if that inc fitting ) and they put the fuel pump code on for £30 the price of a new map.

leon

 

[Al]

Ive just been told that GIAC do there own fuel pump internals for £250-ish ( don't if that inc fitting ) and they put the fuel pump code on for £30 the price of a new map.

leon

Who does that if you dont mind me asking? Owen and Keith will both be interested in this with them having GIAC maps and looking to boost their power up. Last time I heard, Jim at Star was still anti-modification on the 230/240/260PS TFSi engine other than the remap alone. This must be a new development and it is a good thing as the GIAC code has shown decent gains over standard.

 

[lasbazrre]

Statller in Sheffield ( seems to be the place where most of the northen S3 owners are getting there GIAC maps from ) there a porche and VAG specialist who work very closely with Regal the UK's distributor for GIAC software.

" around £240 " for the fuel pump.

Statller were doing the Hammer maps hot of the press , Jim at Star asked me where i got my info from when i rang him up to pick his brains about the hammer map.

leon

 

[ZBOYD]

Yeah i think Awesomes rollers are decent too , but some of the remapped lads was a bit miffed that the Std cars were making so much over book , while the mapped cars wasn't making what the tuners claim , and the fact that they can only give us a ATW figure in 4WD.

So were having our next RR day at Prosport in Stockport ( Subaru specialists with a good rep ) ive been down there and give it a whirl , i made slightly less BHP , but more torque than Awesome 280bhp and up to 300lbft Std ( it was 24 degrees when i got back in the car )

Anybody around next saturday 28th June and fancy a run or a nose at what the S3's are making come down.

Thanks

leon

You need to change your avatar. If i'm free on the 28th i'll pop down. I am a local after all.

 

[Smiler-MK2]

Doing some research on the different fuel pumps and came across this on the autotech website
IMPORTANT WARNING
AND PREVENTIVE NOTICE
This kit is designed to provide up to 50% greater fuel volume than the standard factory
fuel pump. In order to drive this additional fuel volume under the basic laws of physics it
will take up to 50% proportionally more pressure to drive the pump.
The pump is driven by a lobe on the factory intake camshaft which in turn drives the fuel
pump piston through a follower. The pressure exerted on the cam lobe can be up to 50%
greater than the standard application. Both VW and Audi have issued factory “Technical
Service Bulletins” regarding abnormal camshaft wear and failure with the standard stock
factory installed fuel pump. Both companies have issued corrective actions which
include replacing the factory stock camshaft with a new camshaft that has improved
surface hardened fuel pump lobes. The part number for this new camshaft is
06F.109.101B and is available at any VW or Audi dealer.
Before proceeding with the installation of Autotech’s high volume fuel pump kit, it is
imperative that the installer check for wear on the existing camshaft and follower. If
worn, the camshaft must replaced. If not worn, it will be necessary to identify which
camshaft you have in your engine by looking at the part number etched in the cam
between the lobes for the number 2 and number 3 cylinders. The old style (less hardened
cam) is marked with part #06F.109.101A. Those customers who have the old style cam
should strongly consider changing to the new cam part #06F.109.101B.
Regardless of which camshaft you are using, Autotech cannot guarantee that your
camshaft’s fuel pump lobe will not experience increased wear leading to a catastrophic
failure. All customers who choose to use Autotech’s high volume fuel pump must accept
the additional risk of camshaft failure. It is incumbent upon the customer to check for
wear of the camshaft and follower on a regular basis and replace those parts as necessary
as a preventive measure against future failure. To be able to enjoy the benefits of this
part it is necessary for the customer to accept responsibility for wear and tear on other
related parts as mentioned above on their vehicle.
Autotech, therefore will not accept any warranty or merchantability claims for camshaft
and/or follower failures or any damage as a result of those failures for this product. The
customer agrees to accept all risk when using this product.

 

[ZBOYD]

This thread covers the fuel pump issues. - http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=174856

 

[lasbazrre]

So in laymans terms how safe is the fuel pump upgrade over Std or just a remap?

Thanks

leon

 

[Al]

So in laymans terms how safe is the fuel pump upgrade over Std or just a remap?

Thanks

leon

What do you mean by safe? Issues in the thread Z posted above there bud.

 

[Smiler-MK2]

Ok so am i right to think that the new uprated pumps cure the fueling problems on remaped cupras
but could cause more wear on a known problem ?
In order to drive this additional fuel volume under the basic laws of physics it
will take up to 50% proportionally more pressure to drive the pump.
The pump is driven by a lobe on the factory intake camshaft which in turn drives the fuel
pump piston through a follower. The pressure exerted on the cam lobe can be up to 50%
greater than the standard application.

 

[lasbazrre]

What do you mean by safe? Issues in the thread Z posted above there bud.

I read thet thread mate.

I mean chances of the above issues happening with the fuel pump upgrade against the same issues happening to Std cars or a cars that have just a remap?

Thanks

leon

 

[Al]

Ok so am i right to think that the new uprated pumps cure the fueling problems on remaped cupras
but could cause more wear on a known problem ?
In order to drive this additional fuel volume under the basic laws of physics it
will take up to 50% proportionally more pressure to drive the pump.
The pump is driven by a lobe on the factory intake camshaft which in turn drives the fuel
pump piston through a follower. The pressure exerted on the cam lobe can be up to 50%
greater than the standard application.

This might be better in the other thread noted above actually. You have a point, but there is not 50% more fuel being driven through an uprated pump over a standard one therefore the 50% figure you have used is in no way accurate.

However the wear is not being noted on the camshaft, but instead the follower. The followers have been wearing and not the camshaft. This is probably the reason they are wearing out as it is obviously easier to change a follower than a camshaft.

 

[Tfsi_Mike]

What figures are people running with pump and pump specific remap...? I have Miltek 3" down pipe and non res system......

Looking to do the injectors and turbo when i get back from afghanistan too Will run it with pump, cooler and map first till i get used to power then go for st3....

 

[Al]

Not many have all of the modifications yet. Z has the pump, exhaust, intake and APR code as per the graph above. Igor will be the first with the Revo code this coming weekend. CC map is making similar figures to APR with the pump.