PD Oil ignorance

[marcordoba]

Hi,

just wanted to post a warning to fellow pd owners. After reading the horror stories about wrong oil in the engine afffecting camshaft, I decided to get my changed at a local garage for my seat cordoba pd 130.

9 out of ten independant garages in derby and nottingham recommended the wrong oil, then when I said it needed to be the specific 505.01 oil they said no it doesnt, we use a computer system and it tells us you need xxx oil! Seat wanted £179 to do an oil change with the right oil when i rang GK Seat derby!
Eventually found one that recommended the right one which was a quarter of that price but check what your garage is putting in!!

So my morale is don't trust the garage to put the right oil in! the scary thing is the amount of pd engines that must be having the wrong oil put in by independant garages!

they knew nothing of the difference in the pd engines when I said that it needed different vw specific oil.......

 

[rice-c87]

why did'nt you just buy a bottle from seat they are like 20 - 30 quid and take that to the garage you get your work done at and ask for the bottle of oil back as you will proberly need it over the year to top up from time to time you know they are oil burners as the lads at work remind me

 

[marcordoba]

did that mate and no garage would use it as it wasnt theres so wouldnt be covered...had bought the millers stuff...

 

[PhilOfCas]

what if you've inadvertently been using 505 00 to top up

(roughly 800ml in last 40K miles),

Just a what if obviously

 

[googies]

Have you?

 

[ChrisGTL]

what if you've inadvertently been using 505 00 to top up

(roughly 800ml in last 40K miles),

Just a what if obviously

I'd be getting it filled up with correct spec oil ASAP. Oil is the engines blood, thats like me having a different blood group put into me.......

I'd die

 

[googies]

Yup, can lead to increased camlobe wear and on tappets, then become dead!! 505.01 has been the only advice recieved on pd 105bhp and 140bhp.

 

[allh2k]

cant you just do it your self? £15 for ramps and £20 for other stuff(oil catcher thing or pump, new nut)

Where any of these garage Diesel experts or Diesel specialists?

 

[PhilOfCas]

Didn't have chance to respond earlier (been working, then kickboxing ) , have to admit i've been topping up, not much, as shown above, with 505 00 and not 505 01.

Car's been dealer serviced (with, they told me, 'PD' oil), it's just that i obviously wasn't paying full attention to the manual and have been topping up with non PD oil, it's full synthetic Valvoline, correct viscosity stuff but not the bottle says 505 01.

I figure that i've probably (at certain times only) been running a mix of a few % non and 97/8 or so % PD oil, so i personally am not too worried, i don't hammer the car hardly at all anyhow, never when cold.


I would say in my defence that the manual slightly contradicts itself (first page of oil use) and doesn't make a massive warning not to use anything less that 01 in PD engines.

Just hope someone could calm me down that last little bit and say don't worry at all !! (que the disaster merchants !).

 

[googies]

Have a look at the TDI oil thread in tdi section, but wouldnt say so if it only slight %'s, get oil changed at independant or a friend who can do it with correct oiul if you wnat to put your mind at ease.

 

[PhilOfCas]

Have a look at the TDI oil thread in tdi section, but wouldnt say so if it only slight %'s, get oil changed at independant or a friend who can do it with correct oiul if you wnat to put your mind at ease.

cheers, hopefully Sat, will have a bash myself, only a few thou from oil change anyhow

 

[aceman]

Phil your paranoia about your engine sounding rough may not be a figment of your immagination after all

Seriously though it doesn't matter how hard or soft you drive your car the oil in a PD engine is designed with much higher sheering properties to enable it to cope with the emmense pressures generated by the cam lobes on the injector cam. These have been known to wear extremely quickly in some PD engines without the correct oil used. Not that I don't want to frighten you of course.

 

[glynnd]

Phil your paranoia about your engine sounding rough may not be a figment of your immagination after all

Seriously though it doesn't matter how hard or soft you drive your car the oil in a PD engine is designed with much higher sheering properties to enable it to cope with the emmense pressures generated by the cam lobes on the injector cam. These have been known to wear extremely quickly in some PD engines without the correct oil used. Not that I don't want to frighten you of course.

That would worry me as I know how much wear was on my camshaft and tappets when I put new ones in at 106k. Full dealer history with 505.01 on all the invoices too!
Glynn

 

[sportbilly]

Marc,

Where did you end up getting it serviced?

 

[PhilOfCas]

Phil your paranoia about your engine sounding rough may not be a figment of your immagination after all

Seriously though it doesn't matter how hard or soft you drive your car the oil in a PD engine is designed with much higher sheering properties to enable it to cope with the emmense pressures generated by the cam lobes on the injector cam. These have been known to wear extremely quickly in some PD engines without the correct oil used. Not that I don't want to frighten you of course.

me ?.........worried ?, worried ?????.........me !?! (garlic........bread, garlic bread, garlic.............bread ?) .

It's quite simple in't it, put (non thinned down ) PD oil in soonish, then top up with PD oil as an when, throw away non PD oil in garage and lie back and think of England.

Honestly the car hasn't changed noise since i got it at 5k, has been same, year in year out, noisy when cold and once warmed through settles down reasonably well. Less noisy in summer than in winter on start up from cold.

I've read lots (Quentin Willson being a notable early critic) about this engine being a 'bag of spanners', but very effective with it, much like i've found it, scour the internet (like i did before buying it) and you'll find many reports of it sounding noisy, it's been said of Audi's and VW's too with this engine.

It's took me quite a while to come to terms with it being noisy (when cold/slower speeds/low gears) but that's just how it is, i now think it's 'characterful' .

I'm not going to lose sleep whether i've damaged 'me cams/lobes' whatever, no-ones 100 % convinced me that PD engines get knacked just by using 505 00 (nevermind just using it to top up) anyhow. I've got more precious things to worry about than some bit's of metal in an engine.
(Christ, War and Peace).

Signing off, Mr NotnoWorriedofCas

 

[aceman]

I like your optimism Phil you should do as Mrs Tate would say "Am I bovered"

 

[glynnd]

Glad your out look is not to let it bovver you!
FYI camshaft tappets and cam bearings along with the new bolts required to rebuild the top end are circa £600 (genuine vw) labour excluded but figure on 4 hours at least at around £50 an hour and bingo £800 smackers
Lovely eh!
Glynn

 

[marcordoba]

national tyres in chad they used castrol edge 5w40 50.01 turbo diesel oil £35.00 worked out cheaper than me buying the filter and oil myself....

 

[PhilOfCas]

national tyres in chad they used castrol edge 5w40 50.01 turbo diesel oil £35.00 worked out cheaper than me buying the filter and oil myself....

sounds alright that, local auto shop is selling Edge at £16.95/1ltr, £49.95/4ltr, as soon as i mentioned PD he kicked into "listen, my mates a master technician at Skoda, it's a load of balony about needing that, this is fine (whatever it was, lot cheaper stuff), do you know why they say you need PD, it's to do with emissions, to make it cleaner", to which we had a longish conversation about what's been said on this thread (and many others that i've read about PD wotsit).

it's a minefield

 

[PhilOfCas]

Glad your out look is not to let it bovver you!
FYI camshaft tappets and cam bearings along with the new bolts required to rebuild the top end are circa £600 (genuine vw) labour excluded but figure on 4 hours at least at around £50 an hour and bingo £800 smackers
Lovely eh!
Glynn

what can you do ? , might learn something here (me) - if they're worn, they'll just be noisy right ?