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There have rumours for a while. I am at the point where if it's not announced soon, I am going to get an Audi A3 170 with it. It's a shame that what ever political situation within VAG is stopping it from happening.
I agree!
I also don't understand why they didn't put the Quattro/4Motion system on the new Cupra, all that power through 2 wheels, in our Country, would have been much more usable if it went to all 4 wheels!
I also don't understand why they didn't put the Quattro/4Motion system on the new Cupra, all that power through 2 wheels, in our Country, would have been much more usable if it went to all 4 wheels!
It's on the 2.0 Stylance
2.0 TSI 200PS DSG-auto FR 5 £15523.40 £2716.60 190 F £18495.00
2.0 TDI 140PS DSG-auto Stylance 5 £15110.64 £2644.36 157 D £17945.00
2.0 TDI 170PS (DPF) FR 5 £15110.64 £2644.36 161 D £17945.00
Anyone know what the key difference between the TDi stylance and TDI FR are?
At the moment I can't decide between TSI FR DSG-auto or TDI Stylance DSG-auto. Is the TSI DSG a safer bet than the TDI (S) DSG because it's been in operation longer, or is the savings over running costs on a TDI offset this?
2.0 TSI 200PS DSG-auto FR 5 £15523.40 £2716.60 190 F £18495.00
2.0 TDI 140PS DSG-auto Stylance 5 £15110.64 £2644.36 157 D £17945.00
2.0 TDI 170PS (DPF) FR 5 £15110.64 £2644.36 161 D £17945.00
Anyone know what the key difference between the TDi stylance and TDI FR are?
At the moment I can't decide between TSI FR DSG-auto or TDI Stylance DSG-auto. Is the TSI DSG a safer bet than the TDI (S) DSG because it's been in operation longer, or is the savings over running costs on a TDI offset this?
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To answer your first question "Anyone know what the key difference between the TDi stylance and TDI FR are?"
The TDi Stylance is 140bhp and you can get it in either Manual or DSG (Automatic). The TDi FR is 170bhp but it only comes in manual (with "what some people will say" is the dreaded "DPF")
To answer to your second question "At the moment I can't decide between TSI FR DSG-auto or TDI Stylance DSG-auto. Exactly the same cost. Is the TSI DSG a safer bet than the TDI (S) DSG because it's been in operation longer, or is the savings over running costs on a TDI offset this?"
The T"F"SI FR is 200bhp petrol which comes in either Manual or DSG (Automatic). The DSG is about £1k more than the manual box but the mpg difference between the two is negligable. In my opinion, if you can afford the extra £1k, plus the extra car tax over diesel (approx £80 per year) plus the loss in mpg over a diesel (approx 10 to 14 mpg) then go for the T"F"SI DSG. IT IS A DREAM!!!!!!!!!! (Ooops! Little bit bias because this is what I now drive after my lost but not forgotten Mk1 Seat Leon 1.9 TDi PD Cupra).
Test drove the replacement for my own car which is the TDi FR but, with me only doing short journeys each day, I must admit that the reported "DPF" problems did put me off. I did ask my dealer if I could test drive the TDi Stylance DSG but he only had the "TFSI" DSG available at the time. Once driven I was smitten and went for it straight away.
Sorry, now rambling (just luuv my DSG
). My own personal recommendations are as follows:If you do lots of miles per year then consider the TDi FR (170bhp) (Manual only but with possible DPF problems with regular short journeys). The other TDi option are the Stylance (140bhp), either Manual or DSG.
If you are not so worried about the cost of annual car tax or mpg then go with the TFSI (200bhp) manual or DSG (Never thought I would ever drive an automatic car but the TFSI DSG is a dreammmmm
and well worth the extra £1k)If your local dealer will let you, take an elongated test drive of each model. Even take a Cupra out (240bhp petrol, manual only!) because there is very little difference (as I understand) in cost (to run not to buy!) between this and the TFSI FR. Must admit that I bought my TFSI FR DSG for one year only because there was a 3 month wait on a Cupra which I did test drive extensively. My opinion at the moment is that I will not upgrade unless the Cupra comes with "DSG".
For what it is worth my friend "THAT" is my opinion
RPM
Have to agree with rpmleon, as we test drove both DSG models, Petrol FR and TDI Stylance.
We followed our head rather than our hearts in the end and bought the Stylance DSG mainly for economy reasons, but the FR TFSI DSG was definitely the more entertaining drive (especially with the flappy paddles rather than just tiptronic on the stick) It depends whether you can live with the 25-30 mpg figures mentioned elsewhere for the FR...
Having said that the TDI 140 DSG is still a fantastic car to drive and if you're not fussed about the sports seats, the slightly softer suspension combined with the option of 17" alloys still gives great handling but with more comfort IMO...the standard seats still hold you well in corners.
Agree again with rpmleon that extended test drives are the best way to decide for yourself, so happy hunting...
P.S Just left ours with dealers for some warranty work, including infamous 'owl' noise from the turbo, and have been given a manual Altea Freetrack TDI170 as a courtesy car (same engine as Leon FR).
Nice car but just confirms to us how good the DSG gearbox is...lost count of how many times I've stalled it since yesterday...damn clutches !
We followed our head rather than our hearts in the end and bought the Stylance DSG mainly for economy reasons, but the FR TFSI DSG was definitely the more entertaining drive (especially with the flappy paddles rather than just tiptronic on the stick) It depends whether you can live with the 25-30 mpg figures mentioned elsewhere for the FR...
Having said that the TDI 140 DSG is still a fantastic car to drive and if you're not fussed about the sports seats, the slightly softer suspension combined with the option of 17" alloys still gives great handling but with more comfort IMO...the standard seats still hold you well in corners.
Agree again with rpmleon that extended test drives are the best way to decide for yourself, so happy hunting...
P.S Just left ours with dealers for some warranty work, including infamous 'owl' noise from the turbo, and have been given a manual Altea Freetrack TDI170 as a courtesy car (same engine as Leon FR).
Nice car but just confirms to us how good the DSG gearbox is...lost count of how many times I've stalled it since yesterday...damn clutches !
Excellant replies rpmleon and Phil, thanks indeed. I had heard of minor issues with Leon's TDI engines, so that has put me off slightly. I'm not hearing much wrong with the TFSI though. TBH, I don't drive a whole lot (comparatively), and I'm not overly fussed about extreme performance, as long as both cars have new satnav systems, cruise control, climate control, and as many interior gadgets as possible I'm quite happy. What's keeping me away from the stylance DSG I guess at the moment is the potential issues with the Diesel engine. I would save on running costs though which makes me feel ALOT better (you never know how much gas, elec, etc.. prices are gonna shoot up around the corner) What I have decided on is a DSG variant... after that test drive I'm hooked
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Glad to help on what's an v.expensive decision 14K...
I've got a thread going on here, do a search for '30 day exchange', where I'll update how the warranty repairs go on our car, especially regarding the 'owl' turbo noise, which may help your decision on the diesel option.
TBH if they don't fix that problem 1st time then I think we'll be looking to exchange the Stylance for an FR TFSI DSG model...
I've got a thread going on here, do a search for '30 day exchange', where I'll update how the warranty repairs go on our car, especially regarding the 'owl' turbo noise, which may help your decision on the diesel option.
TBH if they don't fix that problem 1st time then I think we'll be looking to exchange the Stylance for an FR TFSI DSG model...
MortNoire
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I testdrove a DSG FR before I got my previous FR 2.0 TDI, but I have to say it takes a way from the feel of the car... I prefer a stick, call me nostalgic. The Cupra I got now is not even available with them 'flippers', not that I would want them, but to each their own
It might be that they've changed the lingo but I'll go out on a limb and say the website is probably wrong. Time will tell if that is the case!
The logic - here goes...
The 200 bhp engine is a Turbo charged FSI (fuel stratified engine), hence it has always to my knowledge been referred to a TFSI
The 1.4 engine is a turbo charged and Supercharged engine. This is what I understand Seat refer to a TSI (so when I read TSI I read turbo and supercharged)
Agreed the Seat website refers to both the 1.4 and 2.0 as tsi, when in fact the engines are different (in more ways that their capacity)
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/...year=2008,carname=leon,eng=1.4+TSI+125PS.html
Hope it makes some sense and is accurate, I'm sure others will let me know!
SEATcarsdirect.co.uk
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SOrry but no
the 1.4 engine that seat use is only a turbo no supercharger
as to why they changed from TFSi to TSi i cant remember but as far as i know they are both the same
Irfan
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