Bluetooth Phone Book Issue

[Robdrums]

I certainly wouldn't let a phone dictate which car I was buying! Yes, Nokia need to release a firmware fix. Everything apart from uploading the phone book works, you can accept calls, make calls and can save numbers with voice dialling in the car, you just can' t access your phone book...

Yeah but a big selling point of what this £250 kit offers over a more basic one is that it can pull up the names of all your contacts on the dash. Am I understanding this right that with my N95, this won't happen and it wouldn't tell me on the dash who is calling ('Dave calling...') or operate it by voice by saying 'Call Dave' because it won't have the names available?

Thanks

Rob

 

[flakmunky]

You can set up your own phone book with the car... But you have to give the car the number. I can't remember the exact voice commands, but she will tell you them if you want...
e.g.:
You: "Dial number"
Her: "The number, please"
You:"0898 696969"
Her:"0898 696969"
You:"Save Number"
Her:"The name, please"
You:"Hot Slippery Action"


After you have saved the number you can hit the voice command button and say "Select name" then the name (after she asks for it - oo-err) and then you say "Dial number" to call the number.

As for an incoming call, if the number has been saved in the above way when "Hot Slippery Action" calls you, you will hear the phone ring then your voice saying "Hot Slippery Action" and the number 0898 696969 will be displayed on the dash computer. You can then accept or reject the call.

In any case, whether your current phone is fully supported or not the other benefits of the Bluetooth's associated larger MFD (Multi-Function Display) make this option a no-brainer. Chances are you are going to change your phone before you change your car again!

Poke around the site and search for "MFD Bluetooth" to see what other features over and above BT you get.

hth,

fM

 

[Robdrums]

Haha, brilliant example there, thanks. I think my work phone is at least supported, it's a more bog standard model. It's just shameful on Nokia's part that one of their flagship smartphones can't work in such a day to day manner, very disappointing. Either way if I do choose the car it'd be specced, I think it should be standard across the range.

Rob

 

[markfranklin]

flakmunky - yes, it is these "voice tags" that I had saved previously using my own voice, which I was trying to delete in the first place. They were all wrong and had stars (*) in the numbers. When I first tried to enter them, I was saying "Store" as per the instruction manual. However the system thinks you are trying to say "Star". To save the number you actually have to say "Store Name".

Anyway.....

This morning I discovered that my "Last Numbers Dialled", "Received Calls" etc. were all uploaded! To I excitedly looked at the phone book to find it blank.

However, I experimented scrolling down and lo and behold, it is there! But, it starts about 15 entries down for some reason. My phone book on the MFD looks something like this:

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Andrew
Bertie
Chris
David
Fred
etc.

So you have to press the down button 10-15 times I think, before you get to the start of the A's.

Also a strange thing, the first one in the list is missing.

Pressing and holding the Up button takes me to the Z's.

As I mentioned before, I am waiting for a phone number porting so I'll see if that has any effect.

Thanks all

 

[flakmunky]

You could have had Ewan...

Glad its sorted...

 

[Emm]

Good news, Mark - a 'partial' result.


To recap:

Your contacts are stored on the phone.

There are contacts on your old SIM. This 'phone/SIM combination shows contacts on the MFD.

You have not stored contacts on your new SIM. This 'phone/SIM combination shows several 'blanks', then underneath, your contacts.


Is your 6500 set to use contacts from the SIM only, the 'phone only , or, the SIM and 'phone? I think you'd benefit from setting it to read from the 'phone only if that's the only place you store names.

With your new SIM installed, have you tried purging/deleting all contacts from this SIM?

The reason I suggest that, is that maybe there is something corrupt on the new SIM that generates false contacts on the car kit (pure speculation this).


Just a thought..

 

[markfranklin]

Damn, I missed off Ewan, and Eugene....!

Emm, thanks for the note, yes this is a partial result, if a bit annoying that I need to scroll down all the time.

I checked my 6500 and the setting is "Phone and SIM", exactly the same setup as my outgoing 6111 which had not such issues.

I think your suggestion of purging the contacts from the SIM and having them only on the phone is a great idea. It may be that the SIM is sending out these blanks (having said that, the blanks were not there when I first uploaded from the 6500).

I'll let you know how I get on. I will have to find out how to delete entries from a SIM but leave them on the phone, never done that before.

My number porting is to happen on 3rd December so that will also be an interesting test to see what happens.

And also I have the original issue to resolve... my voice tags in the car!

Cheers

 

[markfranklin]

Also, I was wondering, if the voice command "Delete Phone Book" removes the phone or SIM memory details from the MFD (as appears to be the case), what actually is the point of doing that?

If, as we have discovered does sort of eventually happen, the phone book re-uploads complete/amended data upon each connection, what would be the point of deleting all the items from the MFD only to have them re-loaded the next time you get in the car?

I am sure the "Delete Phone Book" should mean that the BT kit erases all the in-car voice tags and leaves the MFD display of names as per the phone intact. I will next try and fathom out how one in fact does get rid of the voice tags.

 

[Richie D]

Also, I was wondering, if the voice command "Delete Phone Book" removes the phone or SIM memory details from the MFD (as appears to be the case), what actually is the point of doing that?

If, as we have discovered does sort of eventually happen, the phone book re-uploads complete/amended data upon each connection, what would be the point of deleting all the items from the MFD only to have them re-loaded the next time you get in the car?

I am sure the "Delete Phone Book" should mean that the BT kit erases all the in-car voice tags and leaves the MFD display of names as per the phone intact. I will next try and fathom out how one in fact does get rid of the voice tags.

I tried this tonight on the way home, currently using a 6233 (work phone). It seems that only the voice tags were removed from the system all contacts in the phone book remained.
As for purging the sim contacts, I was under the impression that contacts could only be read by the BT from the sim?
Sure you haven't got some extra entries hiding in your sim/phone that may get put in front of the a-z listings on the MFD?

Rich

 

[Emm]

.....I was under the impression that contacts could only be read by the BT from the sim?

Richie, my 6230i is set to use only the 'phone's memory for displaying contacts, NOT the SIM. I have entries on the 'phone itself that do not appear on the SIM. These contacts appear on the MFD.

.....Sure you haven't got some extra entries hiding in your sim/phone that may get put in front of the a-z listings on the MFD?

That was exactly my thoughts mate, as stated ealier:

.....have you tried purging/deleting all contacts from this SIM?

The reason I suggest that, is that maybe there is something corrupt on the new SIM that generates false contacts on the car kit ....

 

[markfranklin]

Checked the SIM and can be 100% sure there is nothing stored on it. All contacts are solely on phone memory.

I am now able to prove regular uploading (eg when I add/delete contacts, these amendments are reflected in the MFD), but still those 12 or so "blanks" appear at the start of the A's.

I plan to see what happens when my number ports over (the car may think it is a new phone/SIM combination). Failing that, I might back up the contents of the phone to the PC, then delete the phone contents entirely, upload "nothing" to the car, then stick all the contents back and see what happens from there.

Oh joy!

 

[Emm]

It's worth persevering with, Mark.

If your number is being ported to a new provider, why not get them to provide you with another SIM?

The problem only seemed to manifest itself when your latest SIM is being used.....

Good luck!

 

[Robdrums]

Hi guys

Found this on the Nokia website - is this of relevance to us N95 users? I would assume the software would be the same as the Audi. But does it work? Or is the fix they talk of not relevant to Seat?

http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=connectivity&message.id=7249

To what extent will I be able to use the kit with this phone then, until a fix is released? Does it operate fine but requires controlling from the phone? I realise this makes the steering wheel controls pointless, but can I at least operate it all from the handset as normal, or does it, like the Civic, disconnect itself if you press any buttons on the handset, for alleged legal reasons? It'll still ring and i can control the volume and hang up using the car controls right?

Cheers

Rob

 

[flakmunky]

Hi Rob,

I posted a similar link to the same software - unfortunately it doesn't work. The trick with the Audi is that it can initiate a BT scan whereas the SEAT doesn't.

The SW Controls do work in that you can press Answer and Hang Up and Voice Command as well as Volume controls. The only thing that doesn't work is that you can't see the Phone Book on the multi-function display.

Yes you can select a name from your phone book on the phone and ring it without it disconnecting.

I would say you get about 70% functionality and when you ditch your N95 for a Sony Ericsson you will get 100%...

 

[Moley RUFC]

Had my 30k service today and had an update for bluetooth done. Not sure what for though

 

[Robdrums]

Yeah? Interesting - don't suppose you have an N95 do you?

Not seen any announcements from Seat, but most people seem to say it's more Nokia's problem than theirs and a firmware fix for the Symbian OS could fix it.

Rob

 

[flakmunky]

Rob,

I wouldn't hold your breath for that - I've asked Nokia and got a standard "we can't release any details about future yada yada yada"

 

[Igor23]

Yeah? Interesting - don't suppose you have an N95 do you?

Not seen any announcements from Seat, but most people seem to say it's more Nokia's problem than theirs and a firmware fix for the Symbian OS could fix it.

Rob

I'd say that it's more than just a Nokia problem, LG phones don't download the phonebook either, this has irritated me as I've just "upgraded" from a T-mobile MDA Vario, which was faultless, to an LG Viewty KU990, which just refuses to properly communicate with the SEAT UHV, I haven't tried an Audi yet, but if the Audi BT can initiate a scan, then surely it's just a matter of updating the SEAT firmware/software to mimic the Audi??

 

[flakmunky]

Igor,

Welcome to the club!

It is a problem with the phones in that they don't support the PBAP (Phone Book Access Profile) which many handsfree kits use, this problem is not only limited to the SEAT kit.

Even if the SEAT Bluetooth unit could be flashed to add Bluetooth scanning (which I doubt) you would still have to run the Nokia app to upload the names to the car... This solution is in effect a hack by Nokia to make their products compatible so whether that app would run on the Viewty is a completely different matter again - does your phone use the Symbian OS?

In short any phone that doesn't support the Bluetooth PBAP will have this problem. Perhaps it is the Symbian OS that doesn't support this or the BT chip that the phones use?

fM

BTW I just updated my N95 to firmware version 20 in the hope that Nokia included PBAP in the new firmware - they didn't...

 

[Igor23]

I believe that the Viewty's os is Java based