1.8T intermittent surging / running rough

ChrisG

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Hi All

My 2001 Cupra has been in the wars recently, at first it would intermittently idle poorly and generally feel flat when warming up which turned out to be the coolant temp sensor. This has been replaced and those symptoms have mostly gone away. The problem is, Im still having engine issues which are very similar, but slightly different.

In normal driving the car usually feels OK, I occasionally get a tiny bit of surging as it comes on boost but nothing too bad, but if I boot it hard and hold the revs past 4.5-5k with full throttle, the car sometimes hesitates quite markedly feeling like a limp model. After this kind of incident its impossible to accelerate properly at all, its constantly surging as if im flooring it then lifting for a couple of seconds, then repeating as if the ignition is retarding loads or there's suddenly no boost or a fuel blockage. Its worse at low RPM in the 1500 - 2.5k range, but if I continue driving it clears itself within 10-15 minutes and its back to normal without switching the engine off.

If I get home and do switch the engine off whilst its still playing up, the next morning when I start the car up, it will idle fine for about 10-15 seconds then almost completely die, sounding like its on about 2 cylinders with the car shaking itself to bits. If I try and increase the revs it will sometimes rise but othertimes will do nothing. When it does rise Ive tried holding it at ~2k but although it will hold those revs for a few seconds, it then starts to die away again and ends up back below idle speed on 2/3 cylinders even with the throttle still applied. The only way Ive found around it is to hold the revs higher (3k+) and constantly blipping it above that for about 5 mins, then as it starts to warm up the problem clears and its OK again.

I think the fact that its triggered at higher RPM at larger throttle applications suggests some kind of load / boost related fault. I recently bought a VAG COM lead off ebay to help troubleshoot the problem, but its faulty so Im waiting on a new one, but in the meantime any ideas chaps?

On initial impressions it seems similar to the issue here
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=147131
but more intermittent and also not usually triggered when cold.

cheers

Chris
 
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benjiwales

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usual suspects are MAF, coil packs, N75 valve
Sould be covered on here lots of times, best thing to do is get it on vag com by someone who knows what they're doing
 

ChrisG

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Yeh could well be, it seems odd the way when the fault appears though that it consistently "fixes" itself after a few minutes, normally if something like a coilpack or MAF is failing its less predictable than that Id think.
 
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Try some simple tests -

Unplug the MAF and try the car for a SHORT drive - if it feels better then the MAF is most likely your problem. If the car is worse then the MAF is proabably fine.

Then -

With the car idling, unplug the coilpacks one at a time, if the car runs worse after unplugging the pack then the pack is fine. If the car runs the same, then the coilpack is dead.
 

ChrisG

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Forgot to mention that the engine light also comes on but goes off again without turning engine off, and is sometimes on when the car is driving normally, and sometimes off when its running like a pig! :think:

Ive not tried the coilpack unplugging since this issue occured, but the issue doesn't occur at idle when the car is warm, and I can hardly keep the car running at cold idle when its playing up so I think unplugging one at a time might not give any conclusive results.

I'll give the MAF a go, but from past experience of MAFs failing on VAG TDi's, its far worse than that, and far more intermittent. worth a shot though.

cheers

Chris
 

ChrisG

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Thanks for the comments on this one chaps, it "tripped" again on the way to work this morning for the first time in over a week so I disconnected the MAF, and it ran perfectly! I got to work and reconnected it, then started it at lunchtime and it was doing its usual cold running on 2 cylinders routine, so whilst it was running I again unplugged the MAF and it picked up and idled perfectly, so pretty conclusive really!

Popped down to GSF at lunchtime and fitted it there and then, seems back to its best again now (so far fingers crossed!).

cheers

Chris
 

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Give it a few days. I thought I had solved similar problems on mine with the MAF. Well it did solve the idling problems, but after a couple of days, I'm still getting major power loss and hesitation problems when accelerating (or trying to) in 3rd, 4th and 5th gear. My next stop is a complete TB clean and reset.
 

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Im getting the exact same problem on my Cupra 1.8T, but without the engine light coming on. - allready cleaned & done A TB reset. This semmed to fix the problem for a couple of weeks, but fault came back for 1 day last week.... Piss3d off with it now, - I think it could possibly be the TB sensor, but got so p1ssed of I have booked it into Seat at Hampton Court ( my nearest dealer) for Monday - will let you know th e outcome.... the only thing is the car is driving fine again....
 

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Im getting the exact same problem on my Cupra 1.8T, but without the engine light coming on. - allready cleaned & done A TB reset. This semmed to fix the problem for a couple of weeks, but fault came back for 1 day last week.... Piss3d off with it now, - I think it could possibly be the TB sensor, but got so p1ssed of I have booked it into Seat at Hampton Court ( my nearest dealer) for Monday - will let you know th e outcome.... the only thing is the car is driving fine again....

Please keep us posted on that. Very interested to know what happens.
 

ChrisG

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Give it a few days. I thought I had solved similar problems on mine with the MAF. Well it did solve the idling problems, but after a couple of days, I'm still getting major power loss and hesitation problems when accelerating (or trying to) in 3rd, 4th and 5th gear. My next stop is a complete TB clean and reset.

Yep, Im not counting any chickens yet but it certainly runs a lot better now than it ever did before swapping it out so Im confident Ive replaced a failing part even if it ends up not causing the fault itself. Part throttle response is now normal whereas before even when it wasn't p1ssing about, it still felt a bit laggy and unresponsive on part throttle and when getting back on the throttle. Likewise when accelerating hard even when it was at its best before, it still didnt pull cleanly whereas now it pulls strongly and consistently from 1500 to the red line.

Im not sure if it helps you guys with problems or not, but I have also replaced the temperature sender recently which caused similar symptoms but seemingly at different stages of the warmup / engine running sequence, so maybe your faults are a combination like mine appear to be.

Chris
 

ChrisG

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Yep, mine's also been absolutely fine since fitting the new MAF late last week, pulls a lot stronger and cleaner, and no pseudo limp mode effect if booting it hard.
 
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