Subwoofer boot help needed

[dmmsta]

Bit late to the party, and it's all pretty much been said...but here's my 2p...

Personally twin sub setup is too overpowering, you'll loose the definition in your music with too much bass.

I'd be looking at spending the money you would on 2 subs on 1 top end sub.

I've always been a sucker for the Kicker Solobaric jobbies, as they're square they perform like a sub in the next size up (10" Kicker = 12" Normal)

That or the Focal sub's, which are visually beautiful!!!

 

[Skorchio]

Instead of getting two kenwood (kenwood make kettles and toasters you know) subs why not get one good sub. This will save you allot of space, and probable produce a better sound?? I recommend Alpine. Also it’s not just about the sub. You need a DECENT amp to power it. I should look to spend twice as much on the amps on the sub. Again I recommend Alpine. Have you got good enough components to keep up with the sub?

Systems happened to be my speciality


My Civic Boot

 

[Icecavern]

Instead of getting two kenwood (kenwood make kettles and toasters you know) subs why not get one good sub.

Actually they don't...

The Kenwood ( or Kenwood Electronics in the UK ) that make car audio and some other high tech electronics, are nothing to do with the british company that make kettles and toasters

I'm going to suggest going for one sub ( a cheapish one ) and then spend the rest on some decent front components. Sub bass, although important, isn't the most important frequency range. And unless you like to drive down the street people off with your crap bass thumping away then you don't need many subs. Just one will do.

Pete

 

[Nutkin]

great point 1 sub the smaller it is the more punchy the bass im going for a 10" as i mainly listen to punk and reggae so need some punchy bass.

 

[G2232]

I've created my own enclosure which includes a 12" sub genisis 4 amp and my X-box all trimed in the same fabric as exists in the boot and pretty much everything is enclosed so as to not get damaged as i often need the boot space too.
im going to be posting some pictures very soon so keep an eye out.

 

[swissrebel]

Funnily enough, I have a 10" kicker sub in my cupboard!

I might just box that...

 

[G2232]

i would also go for just 1 sub and then splash more on your mids.
get some nice rainbows or focals

 

[swissrebel]

Christ, it's a 12" RF thump that I had (brand spanking new n boxed in my cupboard!) - I hear these things need a pretty solid enclosure?

That was close - I nearly picked up a new sub :S

 

[RobM]

great point 1 sub the smaller it is the more punchy the bass im going for a 10" as i mainly listen to punk and reggae so need some punchy bass.

That's not true I'm afraid. It's one of those Urban ICE Myths that hasn't yet gone away! The size of a sub does not make it faster or slower to respond, thus making it more punchy or deeper.

That is 100% down to the design of the sub. If a 15" sub was designed to give fast, responsive, punchy bass it will do so better than a 10" sub that's been designed to give extended low end, rumbling bass

The enclosure it's in also has a big influence in this. A 15" sub can be made to be faster or deeper depending on the enclosure it's in.

In fact, that's a good point to bear in mind in this discussion... if you're looking at buying a decent sub, make sure you have a decent enclosure to put it in. Forget the crappy off the shelf boxes that Halfords or ICE dealers sell ready made, they aren't great at all. Get a decent box made (DIY ideally) and your bass will be 100% better than if it were in a crappy box.

Installation is more important than the kit you're installing.

 

[swissrebel]

So Rob, for my rather tasty 12" RockfordF, what should I make my enclosure out of?

 

[RobM]

MDF is the easiest to work with and the most accessible material. With good sealing and solid construction it will be ideal. There are woods that are slightly better, but until you're at the serious end of the ICE game and have nigh-on dedicated your car to it, you wont gain anything from not using MDF.

18mm MDF, solid construction, wood glue and screws to hold it together and some fibre glass resin to cover and seal the inside of the box will do the trick. The glues and screws hold it together, the resin makes it air tight

And avoid using those horrible plastic terminals too, as they leak air around the edges

 

[Skorchio]

That's not true I'm afraid. It's one of those Urban ICE Forget the crappy off the shelf boxes that Halfords or ICE dealers sell ready made, they aren't great at all. Get a decent box made (DIY ideally) and your bass will be 100% better than if it were in a crappy box.

I do not agree. When you go to websites like www.caraudiosecurity.com (best ice website) you can buy pre-made 1sqft sealed box's and there excellent and work amazingly with a good sub. A much better finish than you can ever create in you garage.

 

[RobM]

I do not agree. When you go to websites like www.caraudiosecurity.com (best ice website) you can buy pre-made 1sqft sealed box's and there excellent and work amazingly with a good sub. A much better finish than you can ever create in you garage.

Sorry, but you are definitely wrong. Any numpty can make a sub box better than those. They aren't sealed, leak air and use cheap plastic terminals. You could buy one and then seal it, that would be better, but still not as good as making one yourself.

Plus if your sub requires a box size that isn't covered 'off the shelf' then you're stuck with a box that isn't perfect. So from that point of view too, it's better to make your own.

To design a sub box, is simple GCSE maths.
To make your own sub box is a lazy Sunday afternoon job with tools that most people have access to.

So there is no excuse really.

 

[swissrebel]

Seeing as this is getting all topical with debate - how about vibe's rubbery-looking (yet pricey) enclosures?

 

[RobM]

As a drop-in solution, VIBE make some good kit. They cover a few levels of the ICE market too, so there is often something for everybody up to the higher end of the mid-range market.

Not the best SQ, but far from the worst. Good bang for buck, if you're after a simple system.

 

[swissrebel]

Hmm. I just don't know! It's all good advice, i'm just so bloody indecisive.

Damn my little Leon.. it's like having a second girlfriend, except more expensive

 

[RobM]

Don't be afraid to look second hand. There are often good deals cropping up on this forum and forums like TalkAudio.co.uk

 

[tedvagas]

Hmm. I just don't know! It's all good advice, i'm just so bloody indecisive.

Damn my little Leon.. it's like having a second girlfriend, except more expensive

what about this link it might help

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=121676&highlight=speakers

 

[RobM]

That wasn't necessary really, was it.

 

[tedvagas]

sorry rob i was looking for ice installs and come across that ,lmfao