Stacked my car

[Poverty]

pic dont work poverty! get a pic of the wheel damage too!

Try them now mate.

Got a rough quote of 1200-1400 of main stealers.

Planning on booking the car in on tuesday.

The alloy is likely to be teh most expensive part, after the wheel hub!

 

[rashcupra]

yer the thing that is circled is a steering knuckle!

you need a

driveshaft
sterring knuckle
wheelbearing and hub
strut
track rod end - and rack if its damged
lower arm and ball joint
drop link
cast iron subframe support bracket

i cant see the arb


hope you get it sorted asap mate

 

[Triple D]

an by looking at your side walls or your tyres, they looked to be a little scrubbed :Whistle: like taking roundabouts fast do we

 

[dmjw01]

At first I remained calm about it and pressed on the brakes a little expecting the car to regain its grip, yet for some reason that didnt happen

Apologies for coming into this thread late, but as you already know braking was the wrong thing to do. Your front tyres had already run out of grip, and braking simply increases the demand for more grip - hence it didn't work.

In hindsight I should have just stepped on the gas and gave it some whelly hoping the fronts would have caught some grip.

That would have been a terrible thing to do. Again, wellying the throttle would just demand even more grip from the front tyres - and would ensure that the understeer skid continues.

The right things to do to control an understeer are as follows:

• If you're braking, ease off on the brakes. Use cadence braking only if your car doesn't have ABS. Otherwise, let the ABS do its job.

• If you're accelerating, gently ease off on the throttle. "Gently" being a key word here!

• Straighten the steering wheel slightly. This takes a lot of will-power because it feels like the wrong thing to do, but you've already exceeded the steering capability of the front tyres so you need to reduce the steering demand in order to allow the tyres to catch grip. It's a really odd feeling: you straighten the wheel and then the car actually starts to turn in and go where you wanted it to go - it really does work!

• In an extreme understeer where you're aquaplaning badly, you can rapidly "saw" the steering wheel back and forth to help the tyres cut through the water. I was taught this method, but to be honest I doubt I'd have the presence of mind to actually do it in the heat of the moment.

All this stuff will be taught on a skid control training day. I really recommend it - it's fun and I learnt a lot.

Oh, and the other thing I missed off the list:

• Choose better tyres next time! From the picture, it looks like you're nearly ready for new tyres anyway...

 

[Poverty]

yer the thing that is circled is a steering knuckle!

you need a

driveshaft
sterring knuckle
wheelbearing and hub
strut
track rod end - and rack if its damged
lower arm and ball joint
drop link
cast iron subframe support bracket

i cant see the arb


hope you get it sorted asap mate

Thanks for the list, looks like I will need to add a couple hundred to the quote then. I will hopefully have the car booked in by tuesday.

n by looking at your side walls or your tyres, they looked to be a little scrubbed :Whistle: like taking roundabouts fast do we

Yeah they are just above the legal limit. Think I went round a certain industrial site a few too many times. I was gonna change all four of my tyres for some goodyear eagle f1's this month aswell but I might stick with getting the dunlops replaced as I wont be able to afford a full set of new tires now. Unless, is it ok to drive with two different makes of tires for a while? Ie Eagle F1's on the front, and dunlops on the back?

That would have been a terrible thing to do. Again, wellying the throttle would just demand even more grip from the front tyres - and would ensure that the understeer skid continues.

The right things to do to control an understeer are as follows:

* If you're braking, ease off on the brakes. Use cadence braking only if your car doesn't have ABS. Otherwise, let the ABS do its job.

* If you're accelerating, gently ease off on the throttle. "Gently" being a key word here!

* Straighten the steering wheel slightly. This takes a lot of will-power because it feels like the wrong thing to do, but you've already exceeded the steering capability of the front tyres so you need to reduce the steering demand in order to allow the tyres to catch grip. It's a really odd feeling: you straighten the wheel and then the car actually starts to turn in and go where you wanted it to go - it really does work!

* In an extreme understeer where you're aquaplaning badly, you can rapidly "saw" the steering wheel back and forth to help the tyres cut through the water. I was taught this method, but to be honest I doubt I'd have the presence of mind to actually do it in the heat of the moment.


All this stuff will be taught on a skid control training day. I really recommend it - it's fun and I learnt a lot.

Oh, and the other thing I missed off the list:

* Choose better tyres next time! From the picture, it looks like you're nearly ready for new tyres anyway...

Im definetly gonna invest in some advanced driving lessons now, want to reduce the risk of something like this happening again.

 

[dmjw01]

Im definetly gonna invest in some advanced driving lessons now, want to reduce the risk of something like this happening again.

You won't regret it - although it is damn hard work, and if you go the whole hog you'll probably have to completely dismantle your driving and rebuild it again. Oddly, skid training is not normally included in the training you get from the likes of the IAM or RoSPA so you'll have to go elsewhere for that. I did the skidding at Goodwood (there's a skid pan tucked away in one corner of the circuit, next to the flying club), and it's really good fun!

 

[Poverty]

You won't regret it - although it is damn hard work, and if you go the whole hog you'll probably have to completely dismantle your driving and rebuild it again. Oddly, skid training is not normally included in the training you get from the likes of the IAM or RoSPA so you'll have to go elsewhere for that. I did the skidding at Goodwood (there's a skid pan tucked away in one corner of the circuit, next to the flying club), and it's really good fun!

ok thanks for the info! How much did the training set you back?


Cars going into the garage tomorrow

 

[BlackFR]

I did the skid control day at castle coombe. Great fun. Best bit is power sliding the RWD cars around the "special stage" at the end of the day.

Sawing away at the steering wheel is for any severe change of underpants understeer not just aquaplaning IIRC. Its about getting the wheels straight to regain grip and then getting some steering angle back on to get you round the bend... So putting handfulls of lock on and off the steering as fast as possible basically!

 

[justlivyalife]

I've done the same day as Black FR and it was very good, taught me a lot. Did it when I was 15 but I can remember what happened even now!

 

[mpm1987]

chin up mate, hope it gets sorted soon

your tyres do look a tad low though!

 

[Poverty]

Quick update:

Last tuesday took the day off work and had my car arranged to be taken to vauxhall main dealership. WJ King Seat said they didnt have geometry equipment so they told me to take it to their vauxhall branch.

Anyhow I phone up a tow truck company and tell them what sort of recovery truck it will need to be because my front wheels wont turn. Guy straight away asked if I had hit a kerb! I was surprised, said yeah and asked him how he knew. He replied that its a common accident!

Anyway round the guy comes and takes my car to the dealership. We get there and I speak to the bodyshop guy. I ask him if hes got a "skate" for my car to push the car into the workshop as the wheels wont turn. He says he hasnt got a skate and without one he wont be able to get my car in the workshop as its too tight for the rescue truck. He blames the rescue truck guy for not having one and the rescue truck guy says its the dealerships fault. They carry on arguing about this for 10 mins untill the vauxhall guy says "sorry, but we cant work on the car". Rescue guy starts making fun of him because he's boys only use powertools, when they could do the job outside of the workshop without!

Luckily for me the rescue truck guy knows of a accident repair center just round the corner, phones up the owner and asks if its ok to bring my car round. The owner of the garage says yes and were off. I was happy with this as it meant I would save money!

So the car gets taken to the other garage, I give them the keys and say goodbye to my baby. They said they would give me a estimate price the next day.

Two days later and no word. Therefore visit the garage and I see my car up on a ramp with the front left alloy off. I talk to the receptionist and they still havent got a quote. Bit slacking was what I was thinking but I was in no real rush to get the car back.

Then today the garage phone me with a quote. £1064.67p they estimate

Could have done a little dance if I wasnt at work. Told them to get on with the work and so hopefully I will have my car back on wednesday or thursday I presume.


And breath



P.S

Who would you say was at fault, the recovery truck guy or vauxhall?

 

[Triple D]

Thats cool, bit of a saving then

 

[rashcupra]

id say the garage and the recovery bloke should of had a car skate!

glad to hear its alot cheaper

 

[Poverty]

Thanks guys, really starting to miss the convience of having a car now. Its even worse that I cant look at it through my window

 

[Seat_Stu]

i got my IAM advanced driving licence, its really worth it mate, only £75 or something for under 25's i cant remember although still £85 for over i think and thats 6 observation runs and your test, driving book highway code and first years membership all in so its good. just google IAM and it will all be on there. I did a course on a skidpad at brooklands afer which was an amazing and very good experiance!! definatly worth it and not a great deal of money if you think of the safety of your life.

 

[Andywest2k1]

I did exactly the same cost me £2500 in the end. Needed both axels replacing all wishbones, new subframe, new front bumper, all suspension replacing, and 4 new alloys plus other things i may have forgot