stage 1 tfsi, where to now? fuel pump questios too

beeko85

Active Member
Apr 27, 2009
322
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Bangor, N.I
Hey, sorry this is a really long post with lots of questions, but id really appreciate some info as im not really sure what to do next.
So obviously im at stage 1 at the minute with a bluefin.
I got a panel filter as that’s all you need for stage 1 and I don’t want to go having warranty issues with the dealership, although if I need a cai for further gains then ill obviously get one when I need it.
Anyway, im about to start with a milltek exhaust, im getting the cat-back first then the downpipe and sports cat when I have the money to.
I take it this is the best way to go for more power?
Eventually I intend to have an s3 intercooler ( and as stated a cai if I need it) with the tbe and a map to suit, which hope should get somewhere around the 280 mark? Is this realistic?
Obviously, after reading most of the threads about tuning the 2.0tfsi, the fuel pump becomes an issue at some point. Will it be an issue with this level of power. I take it the cupra uses the same pump, as do the ed30 and the s3, and you guys can go well over 300 with just a stage 1 in some cases, so if yous can do that on a standard pump, do I really need to upgrade mine for 280?
Then, just to confuse me even more, I read a thread by a guy called warren with an s3, who said he didnt want to spend the money on an exhaust- almost a grand- so he went from stage 1 with only either a panel filter or a cai, cant remember which, and got a hpfp and a map to complement it, and said that for bang per buck it was much better than an exhaust.
Now firstly, I know that the s3 has a better intercooler as standard, does it also have a better exhaust, less restrictive, which would mean it could get better gains from this with oem parts than an fr?
Then, secondly, people commented that the increase in temperatures or something like that would reduce the life of his standard exhaust, and that it was a bad idea.
So, do I really need a new pump for what I want, and if so, should I wait until I have everything else sorted out first.
And finally, what pump? Obviously theres a massive price issue between them, APR is about £700, Autotech is about £400 and KMD is around £300 I think, but then I read a thread which said that apr is the only one that doesn’t increase the air to fuel ratio, and that increasing this is bad for the longevity of the engine or certain components etc.
Anyone with a pump it’d be great to hear what pump you have and what you think? Any reliability issues, besides the obvious cam wear thing? but again if I upgrade the pump and get a new…I forget what its called but the little cap thing when I install the pump, if I just get the dealer to check the wear at every service it should be ok anyway, shouldn’t it?
Anyway, any comments would be really helpful cause im just not sure where to go from here after reading everything, im only getting more and more confused.
Thanks
 

warren_cox

Back from the dead
Just for the record, I'm still running KMD fuel pump, Carbonia intake (awaiting Forge Twintake to replace it), NGK Iridium IX plugs, and the Revo stage 2, and so far no issues I can speak of. I may be lacking a few BHP/torques against the boys with fat pipework but seeing that my car seems more than capable (particularly against an increasing number of 'tryhard' TDI's), I have to assume the standard exhaust / DP is sufficient in the short term.

I've approached Ian Birch at Pipewerx about a full system which won't be done until next year now (due to the expense of 2009), but by then the S3 exhaust will be over 3 years old, and have been suitably used.

As far as I see it, by adding a bigger TBE you get a much better soundtrack, but its the DP and cats which seem to make the majority of the difference.

There is no right or wrong answer as such, just trial and error, and personal preference based on reviews. Don't be fooled into thinking any of the products are miracle cures, you fix one thing then find the next weak link!

My next other investment is looking into under-bonnet cooling, and I've written a fairly extensive thread on that in the tuning section, but I don't think anyone has ever been interested enough to read and respond on it as it doesn't carry any badge name / pub bragging rights kind of kudos!!

On the intercooler front, is the S3 intercooler better than going Forge Twintercooler with your existing unit? I guess it may be more expensive.
 
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beeko85

Active Member
Apr 27, 2009
322
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Bangor, N.I
Thanks warren, yeah just read your thread on cooling there and it makes a lot of sense. i wouldnt mind spending the money on heat wraps etc when i do get the exhaust and cai, and ive been looking at some additives for cooling the intercooler when i do get it, millar oils (saw them in demon tweaks)do a good range of additives for these issues, and they're pretty well priced i think too
 
I think i'm likely to go as far as stage 1 and leave it at that, if it had 4wd then i consider pushing it more but at the moment i'm likely to go for Bluefin Stage1, panel filter, CAT back non res. I had considered pipewerx but like the look of the milly tailpipe. I might play around with the intercooler and fuel pump but only once i've spent the money elsewhere.
 

vRSy

Fabia vRS
Jan 8, 2009
1,470
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London
im bluefin stage 2 now mate.

stage 1 was very good, but as with all the remapped TFSIs they get breathless at the top of the rev range due to the intake design on the enginecover(they have changed it for the TSI) Id reccomend getting an intake, and just change it back to standard if you need to put it in the garage. its a dead easy job and im no mechanic.


im not bothering with the TBE, i have a 3" pipewerx DP and 200 cell cat, and i get alot of coments on the loudness, deep engine note i now get with justthe DP. I think anything more would be intrusive in the car. (i get a lot of looks just casually driving around, which i never got before)

stage 2 was way better than stage 1. much smoother and with a much wider power band,

I now have a set of autotech fuel pump internals in the post which cost me £300 from JBSautodesigns, and ill go stage 2+ as soon as i fit it.

the cost to go from stage 1 to stage 2 is now £50 and no longer free, the same cost applies from stage 2 to stage 2+
 

beeko85

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Apr 27, 2009
322
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Bangor, N.I
Yeah ill maybe have a go at that. how long does it take to swap the airbox out for an intake? anyone know when the forge twintake will be out for the fr, or will it be at all? anyone know how much? think if i was gettin one id hold out for that.
yeah id heard it was £50 for the new map with bluefin now, but when your spendin that much on certain mods, whats another 50 really?
I had asked about doing just the downpipe and sports cat, but had been told it wasn't advisable, although wasn't told why. if its a possibility then i might think about just a milltek downpipe rather than the cat-back too, but will the oem cat-back not restirct the flow from the downpipe at all?
yeah that and a fuel pump would be good if the fuel pump definately makes a diffference, though id end up payng the extra to have a preassembled one sent out, id be terrified of messin it up if i tried it myself
 

Cupraken

Southwest Stealth
Apr 10, 2009
318
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Street, Somerset
I'll second what Warren said, I read his post on stage 2+ with standard exhaust/intake (thanks Warren!) and went ahead and fitted revo stage 2+ with hpfp, turbo back Milltek (old unit was knackered) panel filter, forge DV and home-modified air intake. Stunning, huge mid-range and pulls like a train to the redline, 320 bhp but totally drivable!
 

Cupraken

Southwest Stealth
Apr 10, 2009
318
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Street, Somerset
The hpfp is only necessary if you want to go stage 2+, the stage one remaps should take into account the shortcomings of the standard pump in the midrange, find a thread on fuel pumps to understand about it! I fitted mine before stage 1 just be on the safe side, but the stage 1 maps don't exploit the extra flow from the hpfp and I didn't notice any difference until I stage 2+'d it!
 

vRSy

Fabia vRS
Jan 8, 2009
1,470
1
London
i dont know who told you the DP wasnt required for stage 2, ive heard it from their technicians mouths, and its on their website

http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/index.ph...e&task=searchblue&action=AllModels&Itemid=135

with bluefin, their stage 2 map is designed around the sports DP and Cat.
With REVO it is set up via a lap top where they can adjust settings to take into account different modifications and setups.

I put the stage 2 map on my car prior to my DP and Cat for a laugh at the feb 09 JKM RR day and the power/torque curves were really erratic. http://jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/BRISKODA 07 02 09/Dyno Charts/SSV.gif

it is definately not like that with the stage 2 map and DP. very smooth.

My reccomendation is to get the Stage 1 map, then save up for the DP and Cat as well as the HPFP, and jump from stage 1 straight to stage 2+ to save yourself £50

either way you look at it, if you want to go further than stage 1 with bluefin a DP and Cat is a must
 

beeko85

Active Member
Apr 27, 2009
322
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Bangor, N.I
Yeah ill prob get the full tbe first to be honest, then see whats next. if i get the full exhaust with a stage 1, will it improve performance without getting stage 2 software? then i can just go stage 1 with the exhaust until i get the hpfp and go straight to 2+, is that what your saying simon?
yeah i read that a few days ago cupraken, thats what got me thinkin about gettin the hpfp without gettin anything else first. but with revo all the values can be changed by them durin installation of the software, but with bluefin i can only download a map that superchips hve put on aother car specific to each of their stages so it prob wouldnt work so well. guess i was just tryin to get a bit of a shortcut really. full milltek it is then. at least it'll sound good.
anyway, anyone got any views on what pumps to go for? has anyone had one on their car for a lot of miles here? just wanderin if theres any lon term issues with them, like putting smore strain on other components in the fuel system?
 
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