SEM manifold works better at higher boost/power.

RobDon

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Having made 323bhp at 21psi, this seems to be in line with what others make on the standard intake manifold and throttle body - so is the SEM manifold and 70mm TB actually doing anything on my car, or would I be as well to fit a stock manifold and TB and make some money back by selling the SEM?

Is the SEM manifold and larger TB only really useful (i.e. flow and gains) over 400bhp? I'm not planning on going beyond the GT2860RS so should I just sell it?
 
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Don R

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Having made 323bhp at 21psi, this seems to be in line with what others make on the standard intake manifold and throttle body - so is the SEM manifold and 70mm TB actually doing anything on my car, or would I be as well to fit a stock manifold and TB and make some money back by selling the SEM?

Is the SEM manifold and larger TB only really useful (i.e. flow and gains) over 400bhp? I'm not planning on going beyond the GT2860RS so should I just sell it?

Hi Rob, you really can't compare dyno figures from different dyno's.

Perhaps you are familiar with this dyno. It was tested before and after on a K04-023 @ 18 psi then 20-22 psi.
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If you really want to know the gains then of course doing a before and after with your stock intake would be the answer.
 

caney

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My Apr mani and 75mm tb made zero difference power wise as it did to a few other users!
 

RobDon

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I've seen plenty of 400bhp+ EVO's, Cossy's etc. all running stock intake manifolds, doesn't seem to hamper them any. I really doubt the SEM is doing much on my car at all, so might just sell it and get £500 back from it. I just need to source an Ibiza or LCR/S3/TT intake manifold.
 

Don R

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I've seen plenty of 400bhp+ EVO's, Cossy's etc. all running stock intake manifolds, doesn't seem to hamper them any. I really doubt the SEM is doing much on my car at all, so might just sell it and get £500 back from it. I just need to source an Ibiza or LCR/S3/TT intake manifold.

Rob I have no business making suggestions but I ask you to reconsider. Stock Evo's make considerably more power with an inatke manifold. Check out www.magnusmotorsports.com

Stock EVO: Stock Intake vs Magnus Intake
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In any case if you are skeptical about the gains you should do a before and after. There are many testimonials on the vortex where reported gains over even a homebrew using stock runners making 20-22 whp albeit on a larger turbo but none-the-less acknowledged.
 
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RobDon

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Thanks for that Don. I am undecided at the moment, but I have a feeling that if I went back to the stock manifold I would feel a difference, plus I did port my head to open it up to match the SEM, so if I went back to a smallport manifold there would be a mismatch at the ports.
 

Don R

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Thanks for that Don. I am undecided at the moment, but I have a feeling that if I went back to the stock manifold I would feel a difference, plus I did port my head to open it up to match the SEM, so if I went back to a smallport manifold there would be a mismatch at the ports.

Sorry bud I don't want to intrude on your decision but please be aware that I tried very hard designing this intake to perform well even on the smaller setups. In addition I believe the R&D and the independent testing has been well documented and well reported proving out its capability.

I designed this intake from a personal perspective as well where I wouldn't accept anything less than the best and look upon it as an achievement.

The price point may be considered a little steep but if you account for the quality, where it's made (Canada), the performance gains; this includes a reduction in Break Specific Fuel Consumption and equal flow distribution it can be considered respectable.

Let me know if you have any questions.
 

RobDon

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Undoubtedly the SEM manifold is of top notch build quality and performance, I am only questioning myself as to whether I really need it or could do without it.

I am very happy with the current performance of my car on the GT2860RS - power, torque and boost are all held way up the rev range, 25psi of boost holds right to 7000rpm no problem.
 

Don R

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Undoubtedly the SEM manifold is of top notch build quality and performance, I am only questioning myself as to whether I really need it or could do without it.

I am very happy with the current performance of my car on the GT2860RS - power, torque and boost are all held way up the rev range, 25psi of boost holds right to 7000rpm no problem.

I appreciate your comments. Could you email me or post the dyno graph please?

Thanks,
 

RobDon

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I don't have one for 25psi yet, last one was at 21psi with a few issues.

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno5.jpg
http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno3.jpg
http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno4.jpg
http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno2.jpg
http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno1.jpg

At 21psi it made 323bhp and 308lbft but some things weren't right. They've been sorted now and boost increased to 25psi, running stronger than ever.
 

Don R

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I don't have one for 25psi yet, last one was at 21psi with a few issues.

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno5.jpg
http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno3.jpg
http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno4.jpg
http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno2.jpg
http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll330/SonicBlueLeon/dyno1.jpg

At 21psi it made 323bhp and 308lbft but some things weren't right. They've been sorted now and boost increased to 25psi, running stronger than ever.

Rob, the dyno's look real good and real strong up top. Dastek Dyno's are known to output low numbers so if you factor in an extra 8%-10%, conservatively, you'll have a better idea relative to a Dynojet.

Some comparisons for reference:
The car was fitted with a 007 intake at the time.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3537010-Unitronic-Gt28RS.64-dyno&highlight=GT28RS+Dyno
This is the comparison dyno 007 vs SEM on the same car.
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Sorry not sure how I missed this thread....
My Apr mani and 75mm tb made zero difference power wise as it did to a few other users!
That goes against everything we and others have been doing for years.

Small example.....as a test a 70mm DBW throttle body was put onto a K03S car. After at least 5 pulls the engine still made an additional 2whp. That is just a 70mm bolt on , no tuning , nothing.
Went to a K04-001 and it made an additional 8whp over stock.

Its known by now that intake manifolds & larger throttle bodies do make more power on anything over a stock set up.

Going from a 60mm throttle body to a 75mm throttle body + a larger plenum manifold on a stock turbo set up making 0 power? Cant really believe that...maybe 2-3whp ok I will believe.

Going from a 60mm throttle body to a 75mm throttle body + a larger plenum manifold on a big turbo set up making 0 power? Wont believe that for a minute.

To date we have sold over 120 SEM intake manifolds. That is alot of people who have been very satisfied and the reason APR stopped making the 1.8T manifold because of many reasons:
1. To do another run of 300 manifolds would not be worth it
2. The 1.8T after market is dieing . 2.0 FSI is the future and APR sees that , they would rather invest into that market
3. There are 15 different intake manifold sources on the market which clash with reasons 1 and 2.

HTH
 

RobDon

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Thanks Don and Issam. So you reckon that on a Dynojet mine would pull in the 350bhp region? I have increased my boost from 21 to 25psi now, plus changed the boost controller from the Forge UNOS MBC to the Turbosmart E-Boost Street, holds boost flat all the way. I also had a slight misfire at the top end too, which I have fixed now as well.
 
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