Rookie wheel question

HumanSteamroller

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Hello all,

I'm the proud owner of a Mk3 2015 Leon FR Tech Pack, currently rolling on the standard 17" rims it came with.

I am in the market for some new wheels, and have quite the rookie question, so please be gentle: will my Leon take 18" wheels with no fettling? After some cursory research, several quite iffy-looking websites have informed me that it will accept 7.5Jx18 ET51 rims. Is that the case?

And is eBay the best bet for finding OEM 18" wheels for my Leon?

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Hello all,

I'm the proud owner of a Mk3 2015 Leon FR Tech Pack, currently rolling on the standard 17" rims it came with.

I am in the market for some new wheels, and have quite the rookie question, so please be gentle: will my Leon take 18" wheels with no fettling? After some cursory research, several quite iffy-looking websites have informed me that it will accept 7.5Jx18 ET51 rims. Is that the case?

And is eBay the best bet for finding OEM 18" wheels for my Leon?

Cheers!
It will comfortably take 19's without any fettling. You just have to be sensible with offsets and tyre size.
 

HumanSteamroller

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It will comfortably take 19's without any fettling. You just have to be sensible with offsets and tyre size.
Interesting, thanks. What would you say would be a sensible choice in terms of both of those variables? I gather the standard offset for 17" is 49, unless I'm massively mistaken. I guess going up to 51 wouldn't be crazy? And in terms of tyres, 225/40R18? Apologies for all the questions. I'm finding it tricky to find reliable info online!
 

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Interesting, thanks. What would you say would be a sensible choice in terms of both of those variables? I gather the standard offset for 17" is 49, unless I'm massively mistaken. I guess going up to 51 wouldn't be crazy? And in terms of tyres, 225/40R18? Apologies for all the questions. I'm finding it tricky to find reliable info online!
51mm offsets is only 2mm difference 49.

From memory, the offset on the 19” x8” OEM wheels is 51, and a lot of people run 10mm spacers effectively changing the offset to 41.

So offsets on a 8” wheel between 40-50 should be fine.

Again cupras run 235x35 tyre on 19’s.
 

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You can also fit wider 235/40 on 18s if you like. This will possibly throw up some different brands/patterns at different price points. Your choice really. It worked for me giving me a good all-season option.

Also worth looking at Skoda wheels from Octavia etc. which will accommodate the centre badges too. From memory Octavia 2 vRS wheels are about ET50.

Check www.wheelfitment.eu for donors.
 
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@HumanSteamroller; a bit of a brain dump, but hopefully you’ll find it useful and helpful.

There’s a useful wheel size calculator at willtheyfit.com. You input details of your wheel and tyre size, and it’ll calculate any additional wheel ‘tuck’ and ‘poke’ you might get from fitting wheels of a different width and offset. It’ll also calculate the impact on your speedo reading if you change the overall rolling radius of your wheel/tyre size.

You’ve said you’re looking for some new (to you) wheels but I’m not sure if you’re looking to get brand new ones or used/pre-owned ones.

OEM Wheels
If new OEM wheels, some of the Seat dealers such as Horton Seat (seatpartsshop.co.uk) with on line parts and accessory shops sometime have some good offers on genuine OEM alloys. Many VW, Audi or Skoda alloys will also fit the equivalent Seat models. Audi A3, VW Golf and Skoda Octavia will have the same bolt pattern and centre bore size as the mk3 Leon but always important to check that the width and offset won’t give any fitment issues - the ‘will they fit?’ calculator will help with this.

For used OEM wheels, it’s always worth checking ‘for sale’ section of the forum. You can also find used OEM wheels for sale on various on line sites such as eBay. Be aware that there will be many replica, non-genuine wheels for sale on eBay, which may be of poorer quality than the genuine item, and may not have been subjected to the same stringent quality tests (TUV certification or JWL if wheels are manufactured in Japan) as OEM wheels. It should be made clear by the seller that they are OEM Style if they’re not the genuine article. Genuine Seat wheels will also be marked on the reverse side of the spokes with the Seat logo, the part number for the wheel and the wheel size and offset, so it’s always worth asking the seller for a picture of the reverse of the wheels, so you can see if they’re genuine or not.

Non OEM (aftermarket) Wheels
If you’re considering new aftermarket wheels, I’d always go for a reputable brand - e.g. BBS, Ronal, Borbet, AEZ, Alutec, OZ that should’ve been TUV or JWL certified. Bolt pattern needs to be 5x112. Be aware that some aftermarket wheels have quite aggressive offsets, which could give some rubbing issues. Some will also have centre bore measurements that are larger than the Leon’s 57.1. That isn’t too much of an issue, as the centre bore size can be reduced to 57.1 by fitting reducing/spigot rings. Non-OEM wheels may require different wheel bolts if the profile of bolt holes in the wheel is different to the bolt holes in the OEM wheels - it’s really important that the mating surfaces between the bolts and bolt holes are the same and the centre bore is 57.1 for safety reasons.

With used wheels (OEM or aftermarket), I’d always check with the seller that the wheels haven’t been damaged (buckled or cracked, or had welding repairs) and whether or not they’ve been refurbished. Bear in mind with diamond cut wheels, these can usually only be refurbished twice; refurbishment involves re-cutting the face of the wheel on a diamond cutting lathe, so a layer of metal is removed to get back to a clean, shiny undamaged surface. Refurbishing more than twice can affect the structural integrity of the wheel. I’d personally always choose wheels with a painted or powder coated finish, as these are much more durable than diamond cut alloys, much more suited to winter road conditions and not susceptible to white worm corrosion like diamond cut wheels can be.

Finally, fitting different wheels to those fitted on the factory production line (even if they’re OEM wheels) is considered to be a modification for insurance purposes, so should be declared to your insurer.
 

HumanSteamroller

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@HumanSteamroller; a bit of a brain dump, but hopefully you’ll find it useful and helpful.

There’s a useful wheel size calculator at willtheyfit.com. You input details of your wheel and tyre size, and it’ll calculate any additional wheel ‘tuck’ and ‘poke’ you might get from fitting wheels of a different width and offset. It’ll also calculate the impact on your speedo reading if you change the overall rolling radius of your wheel/tyre size.

You’ve said you’re looking for some new (to you) wheels but I’m not sure if you’re looking to get brand new ones or used/pre-owned ones.

OEM Wheels
If new OEM wheels, some of the Seat dealers such as Horton Seat (seatpartsshop.co.uk) with on line parts and accessory shops sometime have some good offers on genuine OEM alloys. Many VW, Audi or Skoda alloys will also fit the equivalent Seat models. Audi A3, VW Golf and Skoda Octavia will have the same bolt pattern and centre bore size as the mk3 Leon but always important to check that the width and offset won’t give any fitment issues - the ‘will they fit?’ calculator will help with this.

For used OEM wheels, it’s always worth checking ‘for sale’ section of the forum. You can also find used OEM wheels for sale on various on line sites such as eBay. Be aware that there will be many replica, non-genuine wheels for sale on eBay, which may be of poorer quality than the genuine item, and may not have been subjected to the same stringent quality tests (TUV certification or JWL if wheels are manufactured in Japan) as OEM wheels. It should be made clear by the seller that they are OEM Style if they’re not the genuine article. Genuine Seat wheels will also be marked on the reverse side of the spokes with the Seat logo, the part number for the wheel and the wheel size and offset, so it’s always worth asking the seller for a picture of the reverse of the wheels, so you can see if they’re genuine or not.

Non OEM (aftermarket) Wheels
If you’re considering new aftermarket wheels, I’d always go for a reputable brand - e.g. BBS, Ronal, Borbet, AEZ, Alutec, OZ that should’ve been TUV or JWL certified. Bolt pattern needs to be 5x112. Be aware that some aftermarket wheels have quite aggressive offsets, which could give some rubbing issues. Some will also have centre bore measurements that are larger than the Leon’s 57.1. That isn’t too much of an issue, as the centre bore size can be reduced to 57.1 by fitting reducing/spigot rings. Non-OEM wheels may require different wheel bolts if the profile of bolt holes in the wheel is different to the bolt holes in the OEM wheels - it’s really important that the mating surfaces between the bolts and bolt holes are the same and the centre bore is 57.1 for safety reasons.

With used wheels (OEM or aftermarket), I’d always check with the seller that the wheels haven’t been damaged (buckled or cracked, or had welding repairs) and whether or not they’ve been refurbished. Bear in mind with diamond cut wheels, these can usually only be refurbished twice; refurbishment involves re-cutting the face of the wheel on a diamond cutting lathe, so a layer of metal is removed to get back to a clean, shiny undamaged surface. Refurbishing more than twice can affect the structural integrity of the wheel. I’d personally always choose wheels with a painted or powder coated finish, as these are much more durable than diamond cut alloys, much more suited to winter road conditions and not susceptible to white worm corrosion like diamond cut wheels can be.

Finally, fitting different wheels to those fitted on the factory production line (even if they’re OEM wheels) is considered to be a modification for insurance purposes, so should be declared to your insurer.

Wow, helluva useful braindump! Thank you guys.
 

HumanSteamroller

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Thanks for all your useful replies guys. Think I've got it narrowed down to these now: https://bbs.com/en/products/design_line/xa.php

8.5x18 with 46 offset, probably running 235/40 rubber. Can't immediately see any issues with this, can you? Please do let me know if I'm missing something colossally easy to spot.

These also look pretty tasty on a Leon...

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SRGTD

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They do look good, and BBS make good quality wheels.

Assuming your existing wheels and tyres are 7Jx17 ET49 with 225/45 R17 tyres, changing to 8.5Jx18 ET46 with 235/40 R18 tyres will have the following impacts (from the calculator on Will They Fit? website);
  • The inner face of the wheel will be 16.1 mm closer to the suspension strut than it currently is.
  • The face of the wheel will protrude a further 22.1 mm out compared to your current wheels.
  • The overall diameter of the new wheel/tyre will increase by 10.9 mm compared to your current set up.
  • Your speedo will under-read by 1.69%.
https://www.willtheyfit.com/index.p...2=40&wheel_size=18&wheel_width=8-5&offset2=46

An extra 22.1 mm of ‘poke’ is quite a lot. Add in the extra width by which the tyres extend beyond the face of the wheel (this will add an extra few millimetres), you may find the tyres extend beyond the wheel arch edge. It used to be the case that if the tyre tread is visible when looking from above the wheel arch, it would be an MOT fail and if you were stopped by the police, you would face prosecution. I don’t know if the legal position has changed; if it has, it’s unlikely to have been made any more lenient.

I would certainly measure out from the face of your existing wheels to make sure the wheel/tyre does not protrude beyond the bodywork and you have sufficient clearance between the inner face and the suspension struts. Also, with the tyre face moving outwards towards the wheel arch edge, I’d suggest you satisfy yourself that you won’t experience rubbing issues - especially when your car is fully laden and the body sits slightly lower, and under moderate/hard cornering.
 
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SRGTD has given above a very comprehensive account above of all the factors to think about when looking at an alternative set of wheels.
BUT I am still in limbo with a choice of winter wheels for my forthcoming Carbon Edition.
It comes with 19s but I really want to go to 18s (painted not diamond cut...winter use!)
Now Carbonara has already kindly pointed out that Team Dynamics pro race 18X8,et 40/45 will fit,the issue being the INSIDE clearance to go over the larger Brembo brakes.
Fine,but everyone likes a bargain and it's possible to buy a set of Wolfrace pro lite,same size and offset for a lot cheaper,only about £400 a set.
Both of these types of wheels are a similar design and are a semi light weight wheel,so you might assume that the inside clearance would be much the same,but I've tried two national alloy wheel companies so far...and they haven't a clue.
So the other important dimension,in some cases, is inside clearance diameter,which nobody states!!!
 
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SRGTD has given above a very comprehensive account above of all the factors to think about when looking at an alternative set of wheels.
BUT I am still in limbo with a choice of winter wheels for my forthcoming Carbon Edition.
It comes with 19s but I really want to go to 18s (painted not diamond cut...winter use!)
Now Carbonara has already kindly pointed out that Team Dynamics pro race 18X8,et 40/45 will fit,the issue being the INSIDE clearance to go over the larger Brembo brakes.
Fine,but everyone likes a bargain and it's possible to by a set of Wolfrace pro lite,same size and offset for a lot cheaper,only about £400 a set.
Both of these types of wheels are a similar design and are a semi light weight wheel,so you might assume that the inside clearance would be much the same,but I've tried two national alloy wheel companies so far...and they haven't a clue.
So the other important dimension,in some cases, is inside clearance diameter,which nobody states!!!
Best thing to do really is wait for the car to come. But then stick masking tape all over the Caliper when trying wheels.

Unfortunately the only experience I have with wheels and brake clearance is going for more expensive options like OZ.
 

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Best thing to do really is wait for the car to come. But then stick masking tape all over the Caliper when trying wheels.

Unfortunately the only experience I have with wheels and brake clearance is going for more expensive options like OZ.
That's the sensible thing to do but finding a place with the wheels in stock not hundreds of miles away could be an issue...and with some places it's catch 22,they won't order the wheels unless they know for certain they fit!
 

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They do look good, and BBS make good quality wheels.

Assuming your existing wheels and tyres are 7Jx17 ET49 with 225/45 R17 tyres, changing to 8Jx18 ET46 with 235/40 R18 tyres will have the following impacts (from the calculator on Will They Fit? website);
  • The inner face of the wheel will be 16.1 mm closer to the suspension strut than it currently is.
  • The face of the wheel will protrude a further 22.1 mm out compared to your current wheels.
  • The overall diameter of the new wheel/tyre will increase by 10.9 mm compared to your current set up.
  • Your speedo will under-read by 1.69%.
https://www.willtheyfit.com/index.p...2=40&wheel_size=18&wheel_width=8-5&offset2=46

An extra 22.1 mm of ‘poke’ is quite a lot. Add in the extra width by which the tyres extend beyond the face of the wheel (this will add an extra few millimetres), you may find the tyres extend beyond the wheel arch edge. It used to be the case that if the tyre tread is visible when looking from above the wheel arch, it would be an MOT fail and if you were stopped by the police, you would face prosecution. I don’t know if the legal position has changed; if it has, it’s unlikely to have been made any more lenient.

I would certainly measure out from the face of your existing wheels to make sure the wheel/tyre does not protrude beyond the bodywork and you have sufficient clearance between the inner face and the suspension struts. Also, with the tyre face moving outwards towards the wheel arch edge, I’d suggest you satisfy yourself that you won’t experience rubbing issues - especially when your car is fully laden and the body sits slightly lower, and under moderate/hard cornering.

Thanks bud. A very useful and considered reply. You're right, it is a lot of 'poke'. Might need to go back to the drawing board a touch.

EDIT: saying that, the BBS website does list those exact wheels for the Seat Leon. Maybe I need to ring around a few places.

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I really like BBS SR’s, and I’m considering them for my next car when the time comes to change. There are two versions; one where the faces of the spokes and the rim of the wheel are diamond cut / machined and the other version which has a satin grey painted / powder coated finish.

Whether to go for diamond cut or painted / powder coated finish is a very personal choice, but if I was buying these wheels now for my car, I’d go for the satin grey version as I’m not a fan of diamond cut / machined alloys for the following reasons;
  • Not as durable as a painted / powder coated finish and susceptible to white worm corrosion if the lacquer coating becomes damaged; e.g. by stone chips, scratches or kerbing. Some alloy wheel retailer websites actually state that diamond cut wheels aren’t really suitable for winter use.
  • More expensive to refurbish than a painted / powder coated finish and can usually only be refurbished a maximum of two times. Beyond that, the structural integrity of the wheel can be compromised.
  • Can be easily damaged by careless tyre fitters or poorly maintained tyre changing equipment.
 

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I’m sorry but those wheels don’t look great IMO.

As you know wheels come in thousands of different styles and what you like is down to personal taste.
I must admit the price is the main motivator in this case!
If you don't like those I take it you don't like the TD pro race because they are very,very similar.

Thinking about colour for winter wheels...black,silver or grey?
I don't like Matt/ satin so would go for gloss black,easier to match than silver or grey if a paint repair required.
 
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As you know wheels come in thousands of different styles and what you like is down to personal taste.
I must admit the price is the main motivator in this case!
If you don't like those I take it you don't like the TD pro race because they are very,very similar.

Thinking about colour for winter wheels...black,silver or grey?
I don't like Matt/ satin so would go for gloss black,easier to match than silver or grey if a paint repair required.
Yeah if we were all the same, life would be boring.

But I do like the TD Pro Race. It’s the centre cap that in fact puts me off the ones you’ve shown. However they may look better in 18” as suspect that photo is of a smaller wheel.
 
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