Remapping Questions

[shadow123]

Hi Guys

Sorry for yet another remapping post but hoping to get some answers to a couple of specific questions. Having had a ride in a mate bluefin'd Focus ST i'm looking at remapping my mk2 07 cupra and from looking through the forums Bluefin or Revo seem to be the way to go.

My questions are:

The general feeling seems to be the revo map is more agressive and gives more power than the bluefin so with this in mind should i really be thinking about upgrading components before i apply the revo (i've seen mention of forge dump valve's, S3 intercoolers, and high performance fuel pumps). I'm not planning on moving onto stage 2 tune i only really want a mapping that gives me a sensible increase in BHP but doesn't make it undriveable and also the takes into account the higher quality fuel i use (shell v-power).

Also warranty issues my cupra still has year of warranty left, so the idea of the superchips warranty is attractive, but does revo do any sort of warranty? also has anyone actually had to use these warranties

As you can guess i'm steering more towards revo, most likely with a selct swicth to give me the abilty to remove the mapping for servicing etc.

Any help would be great.

Daz

 

[RobH]

Hi Guys

Sorry for yet another remapping post but hoping to get some answers to a couple of specific questions. Having had a ride in a mate bluefin'd Focus ST i'm looking at remapping my mk2 07 cupra and from looking through the forums Bluefin or Revo seem to be the way to go.

My questions are:

The general feeling seems to be the revo map is more agressive and gives more power than the bluefin so with this in mind should i really be thinking about upgrading components before i apply the revo (i've seen mention of forge dump valve's, S3 intercoolers, and high performance fuel pumps). I'm not planning on moving onto stage 2 tune i only really want a mapping that gives me a sensible increase in BHP but doesn't make it undriveable and also the takes into account the higher quality fuel i use (shell v-power).

Also warranty issues my cupra still has year of warranty left, so the idea of the superchips warranty is attractive, but does revo do any sort of warranty? also has anyone actually had to use these warranties

As you can guess i'm steering more towards revo, most likely with a selct swicth to give me the abilty to remove the mapping for servicing etc.

Any help would be great.

Daz

Hi you dont need to upgrade anything really i have the forge dv put thats mainly for peace of mind as for the s3 intercooler and fuel pump if your staying at stage 1 you dont need these, you only need these for like stage 2+.

the stage 1 remaps from revo and bluefin are designed to run on a standard car and if you need to take it back to the dealers you can just turn it back to standard using the select plus switch from revo or equivelent. just go for it mate i did and i havnt looked back since, stage 1 and a panelfilter you should be looking at around 310bhp and your mates focus st will be eating dust.

 

[chrisboyle999]

Also warranty issues my cupra still has year of warranty left, so the idea of the superchips warranty is attractive, but does revo do any sort of warranty? also has anyone actually had to use these warranties

As you can guess i'm steering more towards revo, most likely with a selct swicth to give me the abilty to remove the mapping for servicing etc.

Daz

the stage 1 remaps from revo and bluefin are designed to run on a standard car and if you need to take it back to the dealers you can just turn it back to standard using the select plus switch from revo or equivelent.

when you 'turn back to standard', you are not turning back to the original seat map, you are switching to revo's, bluefin's, apr's, etc versions of standard maps.
if problems did occur a dealer may not be able to tell by driving the car but should be able to tell with diagnostic equipment.
the reason i held off for so long was the worry of invalidating the warrany. but having had it done, i wish id done it earlier.

and dont be persueded to go for a map that gives the most power, after all, no-one drives on the limiter all the time. you want power available when you need it most, lower down the rev range. unless all you intend to do is sit in the pub and talk about how much power your car has

 

[Stupra]

As a guide, I have Bluefin on my K1. I have also got a full Millteck exhaust & air filter. Superchip will now upgrade to Stage 2 F.O.C.. They reckon on 320 - 330 ish bhp.

To revert back to standard tune, the Bluefin simply plugs into the diagnostic port, behind the cover by the drivers right knee, and the car is back to standard, all counters reset to zero. 10 mins no problem.

 

[shadow123]

Thanks for your help guys i'm definitely going to get it remapped now. I'm still undecided between the Bluefin and the Revo but i think that is going to come down a gut decision.

Thanks once again.

Daz

 

[John57]

Just a quick comment from a lurking GTi Edition 30 owner ....

Revo 'standard' is their version of it. Revo software - even when reverted to standard - still sits on your ECU and whilst I think it is very, very unlikely to be discovered ... it could be.

Superchips Bluefin's 'standard' is your own original standard file which you reapply when you reflash the ECU. It resets the flash counter so there is no trace of your having changed the map, as it is your original map they would see.

This difference is why Superchips Bluefin device takes 15 minutes to change between mapped and standard setting whilst Revo takes a matter of seconds.

I have been using Bluefin on my Edition 30 for some time and the reason I went with Superchips as opposed to Revo was simply because I wanted to be able to revert to my original file - not someone else's idea of standard ... even Revo. This and the fact that when reverted to standard there is no trace whatsoever of the car having been remapped previously!

I have spoken to both Revo and Superchips re this prior to deciding what I was going to do. They are both well known and established companies and you shoudn't have a problem with either - I just wanted to try and clear up this point re the standard settings .....

 

[Stupra]

Well put John57.
Thats what I was trying to say, in one sentance!
Thats why I went Bluefin too. You got the Stage 2 version yet??

 

[andycupra]

shadow, when you say bluefin offer a warranty. what exactly is this warranty? - i doublt it will cover mechanical damage?

 

[John57]

You got the Stage 2 version yet??

No, not yet ... they will, though, email me the Stage 2 file whenever I want if I go down the Milltek route

Tempting though it is to get a resonated TBE Milltek which would give a nice power increase with Stage 2, it would make the car look potentially modified to a dealer ... which I don't want as the car is still new 'ish and with warranty remaining. Once the car is a bit older who knows

If it is a bit older I can tell the wife the exhaust was wearing out anyway

 

[RobsCupra]

Well put John57.
Thats what I was trying to say, in one sentance!
Thats why I went Bluefin too. You got the Stage 2 version yet??

I have! Soon to have the stage 3 too!

 

[Invisible]

I've always fancied going with Revo, wasn't aware that reset is their own version!!

Also isnt the Superchips bluefin cheaper than revo

If I recall the revo is around £570 include VAT and the Bluefin £435 (both excluding the SPS)

However looking at respective websites, stage 1 on revo claims 300bhp and on bluefin only 280bhp.

Apologises if I have mis-interpreted the sales patter on their sites ut that's the way I interpret.

However, both should sit comfortably on a standard unmodded car without the need for additional mods

 

[InfernalBadger]

From JKM the bluefin seems to be about £390 which obviously includes the handset (as that's how the map is done) so that's all you'll need. Possibly isn't as powerful as the revo (I doubt you'd really notice driving day to day though) and afaik doesn't offer the same amount of flexibility with upgrades (Stage 2+).

Looking at £630 for revo stage 1 + the basic switch box. Quite a difference, but obviously depends on personal preference. Can maybe get it cheaper elsewhere.

I was only really considering the revo until recently. However the price difference and simplicity of the bluefin might be changing my mind. :| A lot easier to persuade the wife to let me spend £400 than £600

 

[shadow123]

Andycupra i'm not sure on the finer points of the bluefin warranty but lifted this straight from the bluefin website.

"Our Superchips Warranty

Evidence of Cover
At the Superchips installation date, a current original Warranty provided by the manufacturer of the motor vehicle is required for this guarantee to be operative and it is a Condition that such Warranty remains in force until its normal expiry date.

This Warranty applies only in the event and to the extent that the Manufacturer’s Warranty does not respond. The Superchips Warranty applies (subject to the Terms & Conditions, which are available on request) to damage directly caused to the relevant Motor Vehicle arising directly from Mechanical or Electrical Breakdown as summarised below by reason of failure of the Superchips product fitted by a Superchips Authorised Installer (or by the owner using a bluefin device)during the period of this Warranty.


Summary of cover

Mechanical or Electrical Breakdown
Being the sudden and unforeseen failure of a component of the Motor Vehicle directly attributable to the operating of the Superchip the subject of this Warranty, which has caused the Motor Vehicle to stop working and therefore requiring repair or replacement before normal operation can be resumed.

Period: The Lesser Of:
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a) 12 months from the date of fitting of the Superchip to the Motor Vehicle by a Superchips Approved Installer or

b) 30,000 miles as measured on the Motor Vehicle odometer from the date of installation of the Superchip by a Superchips Approved Installer; or

c) the period remaining on the original warranty provide by the manufacturer of the Motor Vehicle at the time of purchase from new whichever is the shorter



Conditions and Limits:
You should be aware that failure by you, the Customer to observe the manufacturers recommended maintenance procedures will invalidate any claim made. No sum in respect of economic or consequential loss is payable Use excludes competitions, track days, pacemaking, rallying and claims are subject to a limit of £10,000.00 in the aggregate in respect of any one vehicle. Normal deterioration or claims as a result of wear and tear are not covered. Superchips cannot be held responsible for modifications to the vehicle which lead to defects"

hope this helps, but if anyone has any comments or experience of having to use the warraty give me a shout.

Daz​

 

[stuartsjg]

That warranty thing sounds a good idea. Im in the process of waiting to hear back from my local seat dealer to see what effect there will be on the seat warranty and finance if i have a remap.

The only issue i see is if seat blame a fault on the remap but then superchips say that the fault isnt caused by them... then there may be issues.

I remain tempted by the superchips for my TDI FR.... I get a better gut feeling about it over the others.

Stuart

 

[andycupra]

so i read in that the warranty will in effect be for the ECU and not alot else. - given that the car has to have a seat warranty and seat have to refuse to complete the repair before bluefin will cover it.
I cant see it being easy to prove a mechanical failure being due to bluefin.

Also, as many cars will use bluefin after the seat warranty, does this mean that there is NO warranty provided by bluefin on such cars...?

 

[chrisboyle999]

Also, as many cars will use bluefin after the seat warranty, does this mean that there is NO warranty provided by bluefin on such cars...?

you arent allowed any other modifications to your car either before or after the map is installed either.

sounds as though it would be easy for them to wriggle out of in the eveny of a claim to me. still, you pays your money....

 

[p1tse]

having had a go in a standard mk5 gti, would like to have a go in a mapped 2.0T

sounds like some good figures, but traction is the main concern for me

 

[John57]

having had a go in a standard mk5 gti, would like to have a go in a mapped 2.0T

sounds like some good figures, but traction is the main concern for me

They are fine in the dry but not in the wet !

My Golf GTi Edition 30 produces a max of 299bhp with just a remap .... and, in respect of traction, alot of that power comes in at 3K - which is an issue in anything but dry conditions. It manages fine in the dry though with no torque steer at all. In the wet or damp ... or even very cold .... forget using the acceleration !

Equally, the car as standard couldn't really deploy all power through the front wheels in 1st gear - remapped you can forget using 1st except to pull away briefly. This is common with all remapped fwd cars though in my experience.

Would I go back to a standard Edition 30 - no way

 

[shadow123]

Hi guys picked up the bluefin unit from Graham Goode on Saturday and about to send of the file off to superchips... Quick question for you though

When they remap the file will it be mapped for super unleaded fuel i.e v-power? i.e do i need to tell them i want it mapped for that or will a remapped car just sense what type of fuel your using and adjust accordingly. Just wondering as i only use V-power and curious whether they will take that into account.

Daz

 

[stuartsjg]

Not sure, i think the car being a modern car will have a knock sensor. This way it should know that there is a higher octane fuel being burned and it will tighten up the ignition timings.

There is nothing in the hand book which say "x hp (RON95)" and "y hp (RON97)" which is what you see in many BMW manuals, i think my finances dads 325i book has RON97+ as being about 25HP more than 95.

It does make me wonder if the likes of RON101 (i think) that BP sell will make a difference as it says "RON97+" is 25HP more... not 25+HP.

Probably say to them what you use, its worth a shot. Let us know what they feedback.

Stuart