Power Upgrades For Diesels

[backinblack]

I AM INTERESTED IN INCREASING THE POWERE OUTPUT OF MY 2.0 TDI ENGINE.WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS A TUNIT/SUPERCHIP BLUEFIN OR REVOTECHNIK POWER UPGRADE.I HAVE READ ALL RELEVANT STATISTICS AND DATA FROM ALL OF THESE FIRMS BUT WOULD LIKE INDEPENDANT ADVICE FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS PURCHASED ONE.MAIN CONCERNS ARE RELIABILITY AND DRIVEABILITY MANY THANKS

 

[Viking]

Oi oi....

 

[devonmikeyboy]

Which 2.0 PD engine do you have, 140 or 170 bhp?

 

[FR+TDI]

Got a Tunit box on my (company) Altea 140 tdi, really good. Tunit boxes have an adjustment trimmer from 1-10, on 10 mine smokes like an old school bus but on 7-8 its great. Friend has a standard Altea FR170 tdi & mine is a hell of a lot more responsive/quicker low down than his. Munches front tyres in a big way though, ANY rapid acceleration, especially in the wet, in first, second & sometimes third isnt easy without major wheelspins.... Economy isnt too hot either, but I suppose 36/38mpg for a 165/170 bhp car is acceptable.

 

[devonmikeyboy]

Economy isnt too hot either, but I suppose 36/38mpg for a 165/170 bhp car is acceptable.

I get that from mine with all the power upgrades i have done plus mine is 4WD !

 

[FR+TDI]

Hmmm, I know its a thirsty machine, glad I'm not paying for the fuel!

Had a Toledo 110tdi eight years ago, had a webcon torquemasterbox on that, economy was superb & it went really well (for what it was), excellent car. Considering the absolute abuse and seriously hard driving it had in 3 years/110k miles, I couldn't fault it. Its still going strong now, still with the box on it & over 200k - I did dump the oil every 5k though, obviously paid off.

 

[devonmikeyboy]

Hmmm, I know its a thirsty machine, glad I'm not paying for the fuel!

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What makes it a thirsty mechine is your Tunit box. All it is doing is dumping extra fuel in the engine to get the extra power, very crude way of getting extra power.

 

[Bondiblu]

Hmmm, I know its a thirsty machine, glad I'm not paying for the fuel!

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What makes it a thirsty mechine is your Tunit box. All it is doing is dumping extra fuel in the engine to get the extra power, very crude way of getting extra power.

Totally agree, stay away from tuning boxes and get a ecu remap.

 

[Mike5]

Hi

Upgraded the ECU with a remap from Superchips using the Bluefin. The only problem I had was towing my caravan when it went into get you home mode. Superchips said it was probably over boosting. Had another subsequent revision which cured the issue.

I think the remap is a good product and does what it says on the literature. Makes the car far more responsive and enjoyable to drive. You can also take the programme out at MOT time if you worry about the little bit of extra smoke when you boot it. I think it it is an expensive product but gives excellent results.

 

[FR+TDI]

Totally agree, stay away from tuning boxes and get a ecu remap.

Not very impressed with the Tunit box, even though it gives good power, the economy is crap. However as mentioned, the Torquemaster box on the Toledo 110tdi was great, from 90bhp to 120bhp @ wheels plus it did 50 mpg without having to drive like an old man! So I don't totally agree that boxes are bad news.

Remaps are all well & good, but if I were to do that on my COMPANY Altea & there were problems, I might end up paying for repairs, I think not! Crude or not, Tunit box can be removed......
When the Missus' Leon 150 is out of warranty, the box will be sold & it will be re-mapped. I do agree that it is the proper job.

 

[Bondiblu]

Not very impressed with the Tunit box, even though it gives good power, the economy is crap. However as mentioned, the Torquemaster box on the Toledo 110tdi was great, from 90bhp to 120bhp @ wheels plus it did 50 mpg without having to drive like an old man! So I don't totally agree that boxes are bad news.

Remaps are all well & good, but if I were to do that on my COMPANY Altea & there were problems, I might end up paying for repairs, I think not! Crude or not, Tunit box can be removed......
When the Missus' Leon 150 is out of warranty, the box will be sold & it will be re-mapped. I do agree that it is the proper job.

Revo technics amongst others, offers a device to load and remove a map from the ECU as u wish, with different settings available and even tunable by the customer to a degree. Tuning boxes fool the ecu and basically force more fuel in to get the desired effect. A remap on the other hand, if done by a decent company, adjusts fuel, boost, timing etc and generally allot more customizable to your needs, and IMHO more friendly on the engine. Anyway thats just my opinion.

 

[FR+TDI]

Big question is, how much is the removable Revo remap? As I've mentioned, its a company car so friendlyness to the engine isnt an important factor! My old Toledo had the box fitted at 2k miles & now its done 200k & the box has never come off, no problems with the engine at all......
As also said earleir, I agree that a remap is the best job, but a lot of the time they adjust the values in the ecu to give more pressure & higher fuel temps, don't think the boost pressure values are adjusted with everyone.

 

[Viking]

Revo map isn't removeable. All Revo do when they remap is remove the standard mapping, and replace it with their own software. If you want a removeable remap option then they also supply their own "mirror" standard map which is used to return it to standard. It acts like the standard map, but actually it isn't. In effect, the ECU is completely under Revo control, and if it goes into the dealers to have any work done then they won't be able to access the ECU, will presume it's faulty, and will replace it with a new one under warranty (or charge you for a new one).

I'm not (and never will be) a Revo fan because of their tactic of locking everyone else out of the ECU.

 

[Bondiblu]

Revo map isn't removeable. All Revo do when they remap is remove the standard mapping, and replace it with their own software. If you want a removeable remap option then they also supply their own "mirror" standard map which is used to return it to standard. It acts like the standard map, but actually it isn't. In effect, the ECU is completely under Revo control, and if it goes into the dealers to have any work done then they won't be able to access the ECU, will presume it's faulty, and will replace it with a new one under warranty (or charge you for a new one).

I'm not (and never will be) a Revo fan because of their tactic of locking everyone else out of the ECU.

Fair enough, I haven't looked into it too deeply!! You live and learn

 

[loadswine]

I've had a tuning box and it was okay and worked fine with some decent extra oomph, but the remap is a good bit better. Smoother and very useable with ultimately more power and torque.
i can highly recommend Celtic tuning , who did mine. Very reasonable and they can come to your home or work. Best mod going i think.

 

[L7 KVV]

I get that from mine with all the power upgrades i have done plus mine is 4WD !

I only get 32-37 from my stoopid fr 170. (186 on dyno)

 

[devonmikeyboy]

I only get 32-37 from my stoopid fr 170. (186 on dyno)

The PD170 doesn`t seem very economical to me as a diesel car. If i was buying a car to try and save money on fuel etc i doudt i would look at a PD170 as by the time you have payed extra few thousand pounds for it beeing a diesel plus the cost of diesel fuel compared to petrol these days i would have thought you would just as well be better off buying one of the new breed of economical petrol fsi etc engines.

 

[DPJ]

Revo map isn't removeable. All Revo do when they remap is remove the standard mapping, and replace it with their own software. If you want a removeable remap option then they also supply their own "mirror" standard map which is used to return it to standard. It acts like the standard map, but actually it isn't. In effect, the ECU is completely under Revo control, and if it goes into the dealers to have any work done then they won't be able to access the ECU, will presume it's faulty, and will replace it with a new one under warranty (or charge you for a new one).

I'm not (and never will be) a Revo fan because of their tactic of locking everyone else out of the ECU.

I don't think your facts are correct here.

 

[Revo Kev]

Revo map isn't removeable. All Revo do when they remap is remove the standard mapping, and replace it with their own software. If you want a removeable remap option then they also supply their own "mirror" standard map which is used to return it to standard. It acts like the standard map, but actually it isn't. In effect, the ECU is completely under Revo control, and if it goes into the dealers to have any work done then they won't be able to access the ECU, will presume it's faulty, and will replace it with a new one under warranty (or charge you for a new one).

I'm not (and never will be) a Revo fan because of their tactic of locking everyone else out of the ECU.

The standard/stock map given to all our dealers is a complete stock binary in a flashable format, when put onto the car it's the same as have the stock binary loaded on at the main dealers.
Turning to stock on a Revo code runs stock power.
No access is removed to the ECU from a main dealer point of view, this can be varified by the numerous main dealers that sell our product including certain importers around the world that flash cars from the factory. Revo software doesn't prevent a main dealer from accessing the ECU at all.

 

[Viking]

Regardless of locking the dealer out, does Revo code replace the stock code for "return to stock" purposes? If I was to run a switchable map from Revo and switched it back to stock, would that be a VAG standard ecu to all intents and purposes, or would it be a Revo copy of a VAG standard ecu?