pedal box...

[Mckellar]

well, it was my turn to have the pedal box fail on me today, at a set of traffic lights in a very busy town!

Managed to drive it off the road using clutchless gearing..now i got it home using a tow.

Looks like the bracket has sheered/snapped

how hard is it to get fixed/how expensive is it going to hit me so close to xmas.

Ahwell, thats cars for you.
Cheers, David

 

[m0rk]

parts are cheap...... like under £50

the labour to get there is the problem (hence most are welded in situ)

the 'ultimate' fix would be to weld up a new one & mount that.

 

[Mckellar]

you recon it would be pointless using the old one, and strengthening it?

or even better, but a new one and strengthen it at different points of the bracket?

 

[m0rk]

I'd go with the latter, but it's a dash out job.

 

[Mckellar]

full dash or lower parts?

 

[alb]

Mine went a few weeks back, although it was still drivable, i just couldn't change into 1st or 2nd whilst the engine was running as the clutch wasn't engaging properly. I had my box removed, bolted and welded, by a mechanic mate of mine. It cost me about £80, as he only needed to get a few clips from Seat for the refitting. If you do need a new box though they're about £80 plus VAT from Seat, thats with all clips and bolts etc.

Dan

 

[CraigW]

You can change the pedal box without taking the dash and that out. Its a difficult job though because of the small area to work in.

You could try and drilling and bolting it. I got mine done back in may and its still holding.

I would recommend changing the clutch and/or clutch cable at the same time as these seem to be the whole problem.

 

[Mckellar]

clutch was done under previous owner approx 6k miles ago, so no need my friend

but i think you may be right about the no dash removal.

im thinking on taking it off the road for a few months, get everything sorted, big service, uprated brakes, solve a rubber seal problem and this pedal box.

 

[CraigW]

im thinking on taking it off the road for a few months, get everything sorted, big service, uprated brakes, solve a rubber seal problem and this pedal box.

If my pedal box goes again thats what im going to do,im going to take the car off the road for a week or two and change the pedal box on my own as i got one from a breakers. Its like brand new and the original welds are still all intact. Ive put a bolt through each welded section for extra strength.

Id recommend changing the clutch cable, i got mine changed a few months back and the difference is unbelieveable, my clutch pedal is so light now!!

 

[Mckellar]

know anywhere around u with an ibiza GTi in scrap :|

doubt it lol

 

[m0rk]

don't be so picky - any mk2 ibiza will be fine

but since the part will be coming out - just repair that?

do it over xmas - 2 weeks clear that way

 

[CraigW]

know anywhere around u with an ibiza GTi in scrap :|

doubt it lol

I dont think u specifically need a gti, im sure the pedal boxes are exactly the same in all the mk2 ibiza's. Maybe someone can verify that.

My pedal box cost me 45 quid, that was including delivery. I think the car that i got it from had just had it changed because it looks brand/really new. I was lucky, i found a breakers in dumfries on the internet when i was at college (and should have been working! ) I phoned them up and they said they had it and i just ordered it and received it the next week. They never removed it from the car until the Saturday and i got it on the Tuesday.

 

[AlpineWhite]

If you want to bolt it, it's fiddly but not hugely difficult.

1) driver's seat out

2) driver's glovebox and the plastic panel under it come out. The glovebox just pulls out, the panel has 4 screws.

3) By now, you can see the entire clutch pedal arm and the pedal box. Note that the pedal arm pivots on a bracket which is (was) welded to the pedal box. This is where, on mine, it failed.

4) On the back of the pedal is a white lug which is actually the end of the clutch cable. This comes off and means you can move the pedal without the tension of the cable.

5) position the bracket into the place it should be (if the welds weren't broken). The bracket goes behind the main pedal box. Clamp it with a small g-clamp or some vice grips (mole grips). There's really only one place to put a bolt - this should be fairly obvious.

6) Drill a hole through the two clamped pieces of metal. Leave the clamps in place.

7) Now for the task of putting the bolt in. I used an M4*12mm allen head bolt with a nyloc nut. The bolt goes in first (upwards). Now you have a bolt in there but the nut still has to go on. This is the trickiest bit, it may take a couple of tries.

8) (This is just what worked for me) Put a bit of double sided tape on the end of your finger, and stick the nut to it. You'll see why when you get there, it's a really fiddly job and there isn't room for two fingers. With an allen key in the bolt, rotating, try to get the nut to engage with the bolt. It won't be long before it pulls away from the tape. Now get a spanner in there, on the nut. It will probably fall off a few times. Once that's on, you can start to tighten it. Don't over tighten it, the bolt will shear and you're back to number7).

9) Reconnect the clutch cable. The pedal bracket will still move a little, I don't think there's much you can do about that. Replace the plastic panel, the glovebox and the driver's seat.

10) Done!


Edited to add: The bolt eventually fatigues and snaps. I found it lasted about 6 months, I know some people's lasted a lot longer.

 

[crezz]

is the clutch cable the same as a golf?

 

[CraigW]

7) Now for the task of putting the bolt in. I used an M4*12mm allen head bolt with a nyloc nut. The bolt goes in first (upwards). Now you have a bolt in there but the nut still has to go on. This is the trickiest bit, it may take a couple of tries.

My bolt is in the other way, i dont know if it really matters. I didnt put it in i got it done at a garage under a warrenty on repairs!

9) Reconnect the clutch cable. The pedal bracket will still move a little, I don't think there's much you can do about that. Replace the plastic panel, the glovebox and the driver's seat.

I dont think you can do anything about the bracket still moving. I think it is just the way the pedal box is designed.

Edited to add: The bolt eventually fatigues and snaps. I found it lasted about 6 months, I know some people's lasted a lot longer.

Ive had mine bolted for over 6 months and the bolt is fine. I think they used a high tensile bolt so it lasts, plus the head of the bolt was welded over for added strength. Or so i was told, dont know if it will make a difference.

 

[OllieL]

Gutted mate, what a bad time for it to happen!!
Good thing it isn't your daily driver. I'm adding a clutch cable to the list on my service!!

Ollie

 

[Mckellar]

cruiser - some garages put the bolt in the other way as aparently it saves around 2 hours...honestly

when my dads company car went in with the same sort of problem, the replaced the bolt back to front, it doesnt matter aparently but it cuts the amount of labour time by a substantial amount.

 

[Mckellar]

Gutted mate, what a bad time for it to happen!!
Good thing it isn't your daily driver. I'm adding a clutch cable to the list on my service!!

Ollie

yeah its a bit of a pain, but its the first proper problem ive had with any car, so it was bound to happen sooner or later.
im not that p1ssed off, just need to grow my arm so it reaches the bottom of my pocket

 

[OllieL]

yeah its a bit of a pain, but its the first proper problem ive had with any car, so it was bound to happen sooner or later.
im not that p1ssed off, just need to grow my arm so it reaches the bottom of my pocket

So many jokes I could make

 

[Roelích]

£30 from SEAT, I bought one