My Cupra RR result and Log

[acidstrato]

I had my ibiza dyno'd on sunday was keeping fingers crossed for around 220bhp and the car produced 209bhp@4693rpm and 244ft.lb on its 2nd run which i thought was quite odd as i'd actually expect it to produce more power on its first run?

anyway the graph shows a dip in power soon after peak power but then starts to raise again at 5500rpm where it reaches 199bhp at 6500rpm before dropping off again

some of the results on the day seemed consistent, others seemed a tad low

i had my settings cranked up to Boost 9 Timing 7 using revo's dealer software (not an SPS3) and was running using Texaco high octane fuel which is either 97 or 98ron

other mods include all the basics; CAI, milltek turbo back exhaust system, Forge TIP, 007p and FMIC

the graphs

heres the logs of both runs

Sunday	25	February	2007	11:41:01											
6K0 906 032 AA 		1.8L 20VT EU3       0002													
															
	Group A:	'002				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'118			
		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.
	TIME					TIME					TIME				
MARKER	STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar
	0.33	1360	91	9.84	23.78	0.63	0	0	0.8	0	0.93	1360	15	95.3	1280
	1.23	1360	91	9.84	23.36	1.53	0	0	0.8	0	1.83	1360	15	95.3	1280
	2.13	1360	91	9.84	23.06	2.43	0	0	0.8	0	2.83	1440	16	95.3	1300
	3.23	1560	93.2	10.66	27.58	3.53	0	0	3	0	3.83	1680	16	95.3	1360
	4.13	1760	99.2	10.66	34.19	4.43	0	0	3	0	4.73	1880	16	95.3	1460
	5.03	1960	106	11.89	40.39	5.33	0	0	2.3	3	5.63	2080	16	95.3	1590
	5.92	2200	126.3	13.94	55.92	6.23	0	3	4.5	3	6.52	2320	17	95.3	1830
	6.82	2400	142.9	16.4	67.17	7.12	0	3	4.5	3	7.52	2560	18	95.3	2110
	7.92	2680	170.7	20.09	91.22	8.22	0	3	3.8	2.3	8.52	2840	18	86.7	2420
	8.82	2920	186.5	22.55	103.11	9.12	0	2.3	3.8	2.3	9.42	3040	18	83.9	2380
	9.72	3080	179.7	21.73	106.56	10.02	0	2.3	3.8	2.3	10.32	3240	20	83.9	2390
	10.62	3280	181.2	22.55	112.31	10.92	0	2.3	3	1.5	11.23	3440	21	83.5	2370
	11.52	3480	182.7	22.96	129.56	11.83	0	1.5	3	1.5	12.23	3640	21	83.1	2350
	12.62	3720	179.7	23.37	127.14	12.92	0	1.5	3	1.5	13.22	3840	23	83.1	2330
	13.53	3920	179.7	23.78	135.31	13.92	3	1.5	2.3	0.8	14.22	4080	24	84.3	2310
	14.53	4160	182	24.6	143.61	14.82	3	0.8	2.3	0.8	15.13	4280	24	85.5	2290
	15.43	4320	180.5	24.6	149.83	15.73	3	0.8	2.3	0.8	16.03	4440	26	86.7	2260
	16.33	4520	177.4	24.6	153.06	16.62	3	0.8	2.3	0	16.93	4640	27	88.2	2200
	17.33	4720	173.7	24.19	157.33	17.63	2.3	0.8	1.5	0	17.93	4840	29	89.4	2120
	18.23	4880	170.7	24.19	158.03	18.53	2.3	0	1.5	0	18.83	5000	30	91	2060
	19.13	5040	166.2	23.37	158.5	19.43	2.3	0	1.5	0	19.73	5120	30	93.7	2010
	20.03	5200	160.9	22.96	160.72	20.33	2.3	0	1.5	0	20.63	5320	32	95.3	1960
	20.93	5360	154.9	22.96	159.22	21.23	1.5	0	0.8	0	21.53	5480	33	95.3	1900
	21.83	5560	147.4	22.14	154.81	22.13	1.5	0	0.8	0	22.43	5640	33	95.3	1860
	22.73	5720	143.6	21.73	158.67	23.13	1.5	0	0.8	0	23.43	5840	34	95.3	1800
	23.73	5920	140.6	21.32	158.11	24.03	1.5	0	0.8	0	24.33	6040	36	95.3	1750
	24.63	6080	136.1	20.91	159.5	24.92	0.8	0	0	0	25.22	6200	36	95.3	1720
	25.52	6280	132.3	20.5	158.11	25.82	0.8	0	0	0	26.12	6360	37	95.3	1700
	26.42	6440	128.6	20.09	155.89	26.72	0.8	0	0	0	27.02	6520	39	94.1	1680
	27.32	6600	126.3	19.68	156.86	27.62	0.8	0	0	0	27.92	6680	39	94.9	1690
	28.22	6760	121.8	19.27	157.81	28.52	0.8	0	0	0	28.82	6880	39	95.3	1670
	29.12	6920	120.3	18.86	157.56	29.42	0	0	0	3	29.72	7000	40	95.3	1680
	30.02	7080	119.5	18.86	162.08	30.32	0	0	0	3.8	30.62	6840	39	0	1460
	30.92	6280	6.8	1.23	5.64	31.22	0	0	0	0	31.52	5320	35	0	1100
	31.82	4840	11.3	0	10.14	32.11	0	0	0	0	32.42	3880	33	0	1060
	32.81	3320	10.5	0	6.64	33.11	0	0	0	0	33.41	2640	32	0	1040
	33.71	2480	52.6	13.12	56.5	34.01	0	0	0	0	34.31	3160	31	0	1120
	34.61	2760	9	0	4.56	34.91	0	0	0	0	35.21	2040	30	0	1050
	35.51	1680	11.3	0	3.61	35.82	0	0	0	0	36.13	1320	30	0	1030
	157.65	840	18	1.64	2.83	157.95	0	0	0	0	157.36	840	22	0	1010
	158.66	840	18.8	2.05	3.33	158.95	0	0	0	0	158.35	840	22	0	1010
	159.55	840	18.8	1.64	2.89	159.95	0	0	0	0	159.25	840	22	0	1010
	160.55	840	18	1.64	3.06	161.05	0	0	0	0	160.25	840	22	0	1010
	161.65	840	18.8	1.64	3.06	161.95	0	0	0	0	161.35	840	22	0	1010
	162.55	840	18	1.64	3.03	162.85	0	0	0	0	162.25	840	22	0	1010
	163.45	840	18	2.05	3.11	163.75	0	0	0	0	163.15	840	22	0	1010
	164.45	920	44.4	8.61	26.17	164.85	0	0	0	0	164.05	840	22	0	1010
	165.45	960	21.1	4.1	13.19	165.75	0	0	0	0	165.15	1040	21	0	1010
	166.35	1280	13.5	1.64	3.31	166.65	0	0	0	0	166.05	1440	20	0	1030
	167.25	920	16.5	2.05	3.08	167.55	0	0	0	0	166.95	1000	21	0	1020
	168.15	840	18	2.05	3.03	168.45	0	0	0	0	167.85	840	21	0	1010
	169.15	840	17.3	2.05	2.78	169.55	0	0	0	0	168.75	840	21	0	1010
	171.95	840	17.3	1.64	2.72	172.25	0	0	0	0	172.55	840	21	0	1010
	172.85	840	17.3	1.64	2.89	173.15	0	0	0	0	173.45	840	21	0	1010
	173.75	840	17.3	1.64	2.72	174.15	0	0	0	0	174.45	800	22	0	1010
	174.75	800	49.6	7.38	13.03	175.05	0	0	0	0	175.35	1280	21	0	1020
	175.65	1240	23.3	2.05	3.06	175.95	0	0	0	0	176.25	680	21	0	1010
	176.55	1120	53.4	6.15	8.86	176.84	0	0	0	0	177.14	1360	21	0	1050
	177.44	1160	21.8	2.05	3.75	177.74	0	0	0	0	178.04	800	21	63.1	1020
	178.34	1200	63.2	6.97	13.25	178.64	0	0	0	0	179.04	1240	19	0	1040
	179.34	640	39.8	6.97	11.36	179.64	0	0	1.5	0	180.04	800	21	0	1040
	180.34	800	51.9	4.51	6.14	180.64	0	0	1.5	0	180.94	880	20	0	1030
	181.24	880	41.4	4.51	6.86	181.54	0	0	1.5	0	181.84	960	20	0	1020
	182.14	960	60.9	8.61	18.89	182.44	0	0	1.5	0	182.74	880	20	95.3	1050
	183.04	880	72.9	8.2	13.33	183.34	0	0	1.5	0	183.64	920	20	95.3	1090
	183.94	920	74.4	8.61	13.58	184.24	0	0	1.5	0	184.64	880	18	95.3	1100
	185.04	920	75.2	8.61	13.14	185.34	0	0	1.5	0	185.64	920	18	95.3	1110
	185.94	880	75.9	8.61	13.03	186.24	0	0	1.5	0	186.54	920	18	95.3	1110
	186.84	920	75.9	8.61	13.08	187.14	0	0	1.5	0	187.44	920	18	95.3	1110
	187.74	920	75.9	9.02	13.67	188.04	0	0	1.5	0	188.34	920	18	95.3	1110
	188.64	920	75.9	8.61	13.67	188.94	0	0	1.5	0	189.34	920	18	95.3	1110
	189.74	920	75.2	8.61	13	190.04	0	0	1.5	0	190.34	960	18	95.3	1120
	190.64	1000	75.9	8.2	15	190.94	0	0	1.5	0	191.24	1040	18	95.3	1130
	191.54	1080	78.2	8.61	16.36	191.84	0	0	1.5	0	192.14	1040	18	95.3	1150
	192.44	1080	78.9	8.61	16.31	192.74	0	0	1.5	0	193.04	1080	17	95.3	1160
	193.34	1080	79.7	9.02	16.97	193.64	0	0	1.5	0	193.94	1080	17	95.3	1160
	194.34	1120	79.7	9.02	17.22	194.64	0	0	1.5	0	194.94	1120	17	95.3	1170
	195.24	1120	79.7	9.02	17.14	195.64	0	0	0	0	195.94	1200	17	95.3	1180
	196.24	1160	81.2	8.61	17.94	196.53	0	0	0	0	196.83	1160	17	95.3	1190
	197.13	1160	81.2	9.02	18.08	197.43	0	0	3	0	197.73	1160	17	95.3	1200
	198.03	1200	82	9.02	19.14	198.33	0	0	3	0	198.63	1240	17	95.3	1200
	198.93	1240	84.2	9.02	21.03	199.23	0	0	3	0	199.53	1240	17	95.3	1220
	199.83	1240	84.2	9.43	20.25	200.13	0	0	2.3	0	200.53	1240	17	95.3	1220
	200.83	1240	85	9.02	20.69	201.13	0	0	2.3	0	201.43	1240	17	95.3	1220
	201.73	1240	85	9.43	20.44	202.03	0	0	1.5	0	202.33	1240	17	95.3	1220
	202.63	1240	85	9.43	20.25	202.93	0	0	1.5	0	203.23	1240	17	95.3	1220
	203.53	1240	85	9.43	20.36	203.83	0	0	1.5	0	204.13	1240	17	95.3	1220
	204.43	1240	84.2	9.02	19.31	204.73	0	0	0.8	0	205.13	1240	17	95.3	1220
1	205.53	1240	85	9.02	20.08	205.83	0	0	0.8	0	206.13	1240	17	95.3	1220
	206.43	1240	85	9.43	19.92	206.73	0	0	0	0	207.03	1240	17	95.3	1220
	207.33	1240	85	9.43	20.81	207.63	0	0	0	0	207.93	1240	17	95.3	1220
	208.23	1240	85	9.02	20.53	208.53	0	0	0	0	208.83	1240	17	95.3	1220
	209.13	1240	85	9.43	20.53	209.43	0	0	0	0	209.73	1240	17	95.3	1220
	210.13	1320	86.5	9.43	22.06	210.43	0	0	0	0	210.73	1440	17	95.3	1260
	211.03	1520	91	9.84	28.08	211.33	0	0	3	0	211.63	1640	17	95.3	1340
	211.93	1720	97.7	11.07	32.72	212.23	0	0	3	3	212.53	1840	17	95.3	1440
	212.83	1920	105.3	11.07	39.94	213.13	0	0	3.8	3	213.43	2040	17	95.3	1560
	213.73	2120	123.3	13.94	53.11	214.03	0	3	5.3	3	214.33	2280	18	95.3	1790
	214.73	2400	145.1	15.58	69	215.03	0	3	5.3	2.3	215.32	2520	18	95.3	2100
	215.63	2600	166.9	19.27	85.81	216.02	0	2.3	4.5	2.3	216.32	2800	18	88.6	2400
	216.62	2880	185	22.14	102.67	216.92	0	2.3	4.5	1.5	217.22	3040	19	83.1	2440
	217.52	3080	180.5	21.73	107.19	217.82	0	2.3	4.5	1.5	218.12	3200	20	84.7	2370
	218.42	3280	182.7	22.55	116.53	218.72	0	1.5	3.8	1.5	219.02	3400	21	83.9	2380
	219.33	3480	180.5	22.96	123.72	219.62	0	1.5	3.8	0.8	219.92	3600	21	83.5	2360
	220.23	3680	180.5	23.37	124.97	220.62	0	1.5	3.8	0.8	221.02	3840	23	83.5	2330
	221.33	3920	179.7	23.78	132.25	221.63	0	0.8	3	0.8	221.93	4040	24	84.7	2300
	222.23	4120	181.2	24.19	142.03	222.62	0	3.8	3	0	222.92	4240	24	85.5	2300
	223.23	4320	180.5	24.6	150.42	223.63	0	3.8	3	0	223.93	4440	26	86.3	2260
	224.22	4520	177.4	24.6	151.33	224.52	0	3.8	3	0	224.83	4640	27	87.5	2210
	225.13	4680	175.2	24.6	155.92	225.53	0	3	2.3	0	225.83	4800	29	88.2	2140
	226.13	4880	171.4	24.19	158.97	226.43	0	3	2.3	0	226.73	5000	30	89.8	2070
	227.03	5040	166.9	23.78	162	227.33	0	3	2.3	0	227.63	5120	31	92.2	2000
	227.93	5200	161.7	23.37	158.83	228.23	0	3	2.3	0	228.53	5280	32	95.3	1960
	228.83	5360	154.9	22.96	158.72	229.13	0	2.3	1.5	0	229.43	5480	33	95.3	1920
	229.73	5520	149.6	22.55	159.86	230.03	0	2.3	1.5	0	230.33	5640	34	95.3	1850
	230.63	5720	145.1	22.14	154.58	230.93	0	2.3	1.5	0	231.23	5800	35	95.3	1810
	231.53	5880	140.6	21.73	156.17	231.83	0	2.3	1.5	0	232.13	6000	36	95.3	1760
	232.43	6040	136.8	21.32	157.83	232.73	0	2.3	0.8	0	233.03	6160	37	95.3	1730
	233.33	6200	133.8	20.91	157.56	233.63	0	1.5	0.8	0	233.93	6320	38	95.3	1700
	234.23	6400	130.1	20.5	158.36	234.53	0	1.5	0.8	0	234.82	6480	39	95.3	1690
	235.13	6560	126.3	19.68	158.67	235.42	0	1.5	0.8	0	235.73	6640	39	95.3	1680
	236.02	6720	124.1	19.68	156.17	236.42	0	1.5	0.8	0	236.72	6840	40	95.3	1680
	237.02	6880	121.1	18.86	158.94	237.32	0	0.8	0	0	237.62	7000	42	95.3	1690
	237.92	7040	118.8	18.45	160.92	238.22	0	0.8	0	0	238.52	6960	41	0	1470
	238.82	6360	7.5	1.23	4.78	239.12	0	0	0	0	239.42	5320	36	0	1100
	239.71	4840	9.8	0	9.33	240.02	0	0	0	0	240.32	3880	34	0	1060
	240.62	3440	9.8	0	6.28	241.01	0	0	0	0	241.31	2640	33	0	1040
	241.61	2280	9	0	3.58	241.91	0	0	0	0	242.21	1560	32	0	1030
	242.51	1360	10.5	1.64	3.33	242.81	0	0	0	0	243.11	1120	31	0	1020
	243.41	1040	13.5	1.64	2.58	243.71	0	0	0	0	244.01	920	30	0	1010
	244.31	880	15.8	1.64	2.86	244.61	0	0	0	0	244.91	840	30	0	1010
	245.21	840	17.3	2.05	3.06	245.61	0	0	0	0	246.01	840	29	0	1010
	246.31	840	17.3	2.05	2.75	246.61	0	0	0	0	246.91	840	29	0	1010

if some of the other results from the day are anything to go by then perhaps theres another 5 maybe 10 to account for. but im not too bothered really. car goes very well. would be interesting to compare on another dyno as some who ran sunday had achieved more elsewhere, but i doubt i'll bother as it all costs money at the end of the day

/discuss

 

[acidstrato]

got quite a few high numbers on timing as you can see? what do you think?

also been comparing stage 1 and stage 2 logs (different Ibizas) and there were alot of 100% values in the stage 2 wg duty which Phil reckoned was to do with stage 2 aiming to produce more top end? anyone with an opinion on that?

 

[Martyn]

Carl, next time run some decent juice and maximise your timing That Texaco fuel is cack by the looks of the timing pull.

 

[Daz_gibbo]

That power dip looks so familiar ...HB7 T7

 

[Daz_gibbo]

Always good laugh, maybe get another RR day in elsewhere before the summer Carl.

 

[Daz_gibbo]

I do see 100% in the wastegate duty column (last time i looked few months back). Does Phil himself see this too then?

 

[acidstrato]

yeah phil's log was full of 100s especially at the top end of the range.

i thought the fuel wasn't too bad but 7 isn't necessarily high so its possible it is fairly ****.


so no theories on the power dip?

i realised my backing off theory was abit dead in the water Daz...since it happens on 2 different runs lol

 

[Daz_gibbo]

Just relogged today, totally different. But I changed the N75 for my old F type before doing the runs..
~70%max top end!
Also worked out my injector duty cycle, and Air/Fuel ratio. All looks ok. Boost seemed pretty reasonable too. Seems as though it's running well

Group A:	'002					
	RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		Injector Duty %
TIME						
STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s		
16.89	1880	49.6	7.38	21.97		11.56
17.28	1960	56.4	6.97	23.42		11.38
17.68	2040	73.7	8.61	32.97		14.64
18.09	2080	75.2	7.38	30.78		12.79
18.48	2160	62.4	6.97	23.97		12.55
18.88	2240	54.9	6.15	21.92		11.48
19.28	2280	55.6	6.56	24.58		12.46
19.68	2360	54.9	6.15	24.97		12.1
20.09	2400	55.6	6.56	26.06		13.12
20.48	2480	82.7	11.07	45.5		22.88
20.89	2600	109	13.53	62.72		29.32
21.39	2800	136.1	17.63	80.75		41.14
21.79	3000	160.9	21.32	100.28		53.3
22.3	3360	182.7	23.78	118.47		66.58
22.8	3680	182	23.37	125.19		71.67
23.2	3960	181.2	23.78	135.14		78.47
23.69	4240	175.2	22.96	137.33		81.13
24.09	4480	169.2	22.14	142.39		82.66
24.49	4720	163.9	21.32	143.44		83.86
24.89	4880	159.4	20.91	147.14		85.03
25.39	5160	154.1	20.09	149.97		86.39
25.79	5320	148.9	19.68	149.53		87.25
26.19	5480	143.6	19.27	148.75		88
26.59	5680	139.8	18.86	150.25		89.27
26.99	5800	136.8	18.04	151		87.19
27.39	5960	134.6	18.04	154.53		89.6
27.79	6080	132.3	17.63	154		89.33
28.19	6240	129.3	16.4	153.78		85.28

Group A:	'115				
	RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.	
TIME					
STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	
0.35	2200	21.8	1010	1020	
0.75	2200	33.1	1010	1020	
1.16	2240	71.4	1350	1060	
1.55	2320	93.2	1830	1290	
1.95	2400	114.3	2070	1610	
2.35	2520	131.6	2160	1890	
2.75	2680	145.9	2170	2130	
3.15	2840	160.9	2170	2350	
3.55	3000	173.7	2180	2500	
3.95	3160	182	2170	2540	
4.35	3360	188	2160	2540	
4.75	3560	185	2150	2540	
5.16	3680	182.7	2160	2540	
5.56	3880	182.7	2160	2520	
6.06	4080	176.7	2160	2450	
6.55	4280	171.4	2150	2410	
6.95	4400	168.4	2140	2320	
7.35	4560	165.4	2120	2270	
7.85	4720	161.7	2110	2200	
8.25	4840	159.4	2100	2160	
8.65	4960	156.4	2110	2120	
9.05	5080	154.1	2100	2080	
9.45	5160	150.4	2080	2060	
9.85	5280	148.1	2070	2040	
10.25	5360	145.9	2060	2020	
10.65	5440	142.9	2050	1990	
11.05	5560	139.8	2030	1980	
11.45	5640	138.3	2020	1940	
11.85	5720	137.6	2010	1930	
12.25	5800	138.3	1990	1930	
12.65	5880	136.8	1980	1910

Group A:	'118			
	RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.
TIME				
STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar
0.01	2440	20	0	1090
0.42	2480	20	0	1090
0.91	2520	20	79.6	1130
1.31	2600	21	100	1530
1.71	2680	21	100	1900
2.11	2800	21	86.7	2220
2.51	2960	21	82.7	2470
2.91	3120	21	82.4	2530
3.31	3320	21	81.6	2540
3.71	3440	21	80.8	2540
4.11	3600	22	79.6	2540
4.49	3760	23	78.4	2540
4.89	3920	23	76.9	2510
5.31	4080	24	75.3	2470
5.71	4240	24	73.3	2410
6.21	4400	24	70.2	2320
6.61	4520	25	68.6	2270
7.12	4680	26	66.7	2210
7.52	4800	26	65.9	2160
7.92	4920	27	65.5	2120
8.32	5000	27	65.1	2110
8.72	5120	27	65.5	2070
9.12	5200	28	65.9	2040
9.52	5280	29	66.3	2030
9.92	5400	29	66.3	2020
10.32	5480	30	66.7	1990
10.72	5560	30	67.1	1970
11.12	5640	30	68.2	1950
11.5	5720	31	74.5	1930

 

[acidstrato]

thats quite odd, dont understand how some can be so different personally?

you duty is loads lower than mine...cos of turbo not struggling maybe?

 

[TBCupraT]

Dip Dip.....

Revo Stage 2. Minus the FMIC.

 

[acidstrato]

got any explanation to go with it?

good to see we arent alone though

 

[TBCupraT]

Have you plotted your MAF reading that you took on the RR to see if the dip exists there?

 

[TBCupraT]

Like this... As said before not 100% accurate on figures.

 

[acidstrato]

haven't plotted it but looking at the log it does dip there too

 

[TBCupraT]

Just had another look at some logs I took back in August 2005 LOL.

With Revo Stage 2. I too have the dip between 5000 and 6200 rpm. It's only 4g/s but goes up then down then back up again.

As you can guess I no longer have the car so I can't perform any additional logs. This is the best I can do for you. My car ran on (OLD SPS3) LB9 T6 on optimax all day everyday.

 

[acidstrato]

ok cheers mate good to know

 

[David_smith_909]

does everyone with revo get this mysterious dip? seems odd

 

[ChrisCurzon]

know my graph aint as clear but mine has that slight dip as well around 5000rpm then back up at 6000rpm

am on revo stage 1 to seems abit strange that so many people have seen this

 

[David_smith_909]

are you sure its not just revo? theirs a few graphs their on different rollers but all with revo and they all do it so it cant be the rollers, i personally wouldnt worry about it......

here was mine on my k03 setup with APR software and no dip (just for your info), on same rollers as above,
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.scn_09.09.06/smith2.jpg

 

[David_smith_909]

if you look on awesomes website and just go through the rr days, quiet a few peeps with revo have this dip??