Do I get a diesel or petrol?

[leontsibob]

Hi everyone I’m looking at Leon fr’s to come back to seat, I miss my old one! Iv had my swift for along as I can take. Only problem is I don’t know what to go for, should I get the 1.4tsi or the 2.0 diesel? I just over 20 miles a day going to work and back.

I did originally want a diesel but after thinking about I don’t what to do.

Also I’m assuming the 1.4tsi is chain driven? Like the mk2 one

Thanks for any re


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[H Rafiq]

I’d go petrol, but that’s just me. I’m not a fan of diesel.

 

[adamski310]

My wife has the 1.5tsi FR Evo and it's showing around 46 mpg. I've done long runs in it and we've done well into the 50s mpg wise. She has the 1.4tsi FR Evo before this one. I can't fault it personally, she loves it.

Hers is the manual version, not sure if they come with a dsg

 

[Seriously?]

Petrol all day long..........

 

[mjj4]

Hi everyone I’m looking at Leon fr’s to come back to seat, I miss my old one! Iv had my swift for along as I can take. Only problem is I don’t know what to go for, should I get the 1.4tsi or the 2.0 diesel? I just over 20 miles a day going to work and back.

I did originally want a diesel but after thinking about I don’t what to do.

Also I’m assuming the 1.4tsi is chain driven? Like the mk2 one

Thanks for any re


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Are you going for manual or DSG? That will make a big difference as the 2.0 184bhp diesel uses the DQ250 gearbox which is a 6 speed wet clutch gearbox, found on Cupras, Mk7 GTI's and R's. It's a very reliable and strong gearbox with wet clutches that have a very long service life. The 1.4tsi uses the DQ200 7 speed gearbox that uses dry clutches, has a very low maximum torque limit and is certainly less reliable. Dry clutches wear significantly faster and there are many reports of clutch packs needing replacement well before 100k.

 

[leontsibob]

Thanks for the comments, I think I’d prefer a manual, I like changing gear, never had day I wouldn’t mind trying one


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[DEAN0]

I would go petrol.

I believe the government are going to go very anti-diesel in the near future.

The tree huggers are already up in arms about the government charging electric cars the std rate of VED ( £190 ) from April 2025

Some sort of back lash must be on the cards for so called "dirty diesels"

 

[Walone]

Also I’m assuming the 1.4tsi is chain driven? Like the mk2 one

Thanks for any re


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No, it has a dry belt and the water pump is also driven by a belt off one of the camshafts at the gearbox end of the engine.

 

[Cainy1989]

If you're only doing 20 miles a day get a petrol, the DPF wouldn't last too long doing such short drives

 

[Mine was take already]

Moved away from diesel 4 years ago, never looked back to be honest. Can't see the numbers adding up at less than 16k miles a year. Anyone with 1.4 tsi speaks highly of it and I'm impressed with my 1.5 so far.

That said at 20 miles a day you'd be better looking at an EV now that used ones are sensible money. Quick, reliable and practically nothing to service. Only downside techs are I short supply so repairs can be an issue from cost and availability. I'd have gone for a Born but the boot was too small.

 

[SRGTD]

Moved away from diesel 4 years ago, never looked back to be honest. Can't see the numbers adding up at less than 16k miles a year. Anyone with 1.4 tsi speaks highly of it and I'm impressed with my 1.5 so far.

That said at 20 miles a day you'd be better looking at an EV now that used ones are sensible money. Quick, reliable and practically nothing to service. Only downside techs are I short supply so repairs can be an issue from cost and availability. I'd have gone for a Born but the boot was too small.

Agree, repairs can be an issue.

It would also be worth checking the cost of insurance before buying an EV. Some accident repairs are costly - especially if the battery has been damaged, resulting in a higher proportion of EV’s being written off by insurance companies. Additionally, I understand that not all body shops may have the skills or equipment needed to repair EV’s, meaning vehicles could be off the road for longer periods while waiting for a space at a body shop that is able to undertake the repairs.

The above all adds to the insurance companies EV claims costs, which will be reflected in higher insurance premiums.

 

[Mine was take already]

Agree, repairs can be an issue.

It would also be worth checking the cost of insurance before buying an EV. Some accident repairs are costly - especially if the battery has been damaged, resulting in a higher proportion of EV’s being written off by insurance companies. Additionally, I understand that not all body shops may have the skills or equipment needed to repair EV’s, meaning vehicles could be off the road for longer periods while waiting for a space at a body shop that is able to undertake the repairs.

The above all adds to the insurance companies EV claims costs, which will be reflected in higher insurance premiums.

Insurance is 100% something to factor in. I did a high mileage pre coivd at my own expense so was always careful to work out the costs over , 40, 80 and 100k miles.

Insurance like for like IS dearer but not as much as people think. The performance of EVs as as much a factor in the costs. The head of MG UK pointed out Chinese cars (including petrol) suffered from parts availability because in China low labour rates mean cars are repaired whereas we replace body parts. 'Parts' availability was an alien concept.

All cars are suffering from long repair lead times now but EVs definitely suffering from skills shortage.

 

[DAN@ADRIAN FLUX]

Hi.
If anyone ever has issues with insurance at all then [;ease feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.

 

[leontsibob]

Thanks everyone for replying, to be honest I’m moving more towards petrol now, ev haven’t thought about it to be honest, may look into it


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[SuperV8]

Thanks everyone for replying, to be honest I’m moving more towards petrol now, ev haven’t thought about it to be honest, may look into it


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Depends what your budget is but if under 10k for an EV you are only really looking at Leaf's, Zoë's, I3's, B250e, and old Kia's/Hyundai's.

Just checked and MG ZS, MG5, E-208, Corsa-e are under 10k now!

 

[Mr Pig]

Petrol.

We have both. I have the 1.4tsi 150 FR and my wife has the 20 TDi 150 FR. Absolutely no comparison. The petrol is miles better to drive as the engine is super smooth, has a wide power band and loads of torque. The diesel has a narrow power band and is less torquey than you would think. Mixed driving the petrol is just a lot nicer and feels more responsive. Both quote the same 0-60 but in the real world the diesel feels slower and actually achieving the figure is harder to do as it requires more precise gear changes.

The petrol also handles better because the engine is lighter. Yes, you can feel it.

The diesel is actually quieter sitting at 70, assuming a well run in engine. The 1.4 is sitting at a relatively noisy part of the rev range at 70mph in 6th. It's not terrible but an oversight in my opinion.

Yes, the diesel will give you better economy. Average we see is about 54 rising on a run. The 1.4 act however is really not bad and can get over 50 on a run and typically is in the high forties. Which is damn good considering. The 1.4tsi uses direct injection which means that eventually the intake will need cleaned and when that rolls around seems to vary. I've seen it needed at 65k but I'm over 75k just now with no issues. No misbehavior, drop in performance or drop in economy.

If we didn't already have the Tdi I wouldn't buy one but my wife likes the car and does not want to change it. Avoid the 1.5 as it's a different engine and has issues.

 

[G.P]

Avoid the 1.5 as it's a different engine and has issues.

Or, had issues when first released, newer owners appear not to be complaining of late, well about the engine anyway..

 

[Mr Pig]

Or, had issues when first released, newer owners appear not to be complaining of late, well about the engine anyway..

You sure about that?

 

[G.P]

You sure about that?

Nope, I've just not noticed any recent posts from owners of newer cars, but time will tell..

 

[Mr Pig]

Nope, I've just not noticed any recent posts from owners of newer cars, but time will tell..

If you Google and look across lots of forums you see people still having issues. This is not fixed.