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daignostic & ECU flashing tool

silver123

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Is VAG COM interface any more that a diagnostic tool or can you also change millage, install new keys, read the content of ECU eeprom...
Can you acces older and newer cars (CAN) with only one adapter or you need two?

I was checking the web page of UCABLES and they also provide
vag tacho
vag can commander

with wich user can change millage, install new keys, read the ECU eeprom + perform diagnose of all car's ellectronic modules (airbag, ECU, clustter, ABS, AC...)

and what is used for ECU flashing? I was checking KWP2000 PLUS EDC15, which should be used for most ECU reprograming including for car's with new CAN bus.

so please explain me what is what and can you perform diagnose with KWP2000 PLUS EDC15 module.

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MJ

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In my and probably many others opinion:

VAG Tacho - COSTS £1000s when new so if its any less then £100 its a cheap copy and cant be trusted
VAG CAN COMMANDER - SAME AS THE ABOVE
KWP2000 - cheap junk and can very very easily destroy an ECU, its cheap crappy, copied equipment that cant be trusted as far as it can be thrown.

Vag-com or VCDS as its now known as is a full diagnostic tool which can be used to diagnose faults on all VAG control units and can program keys - it also has many other functions
- check out www.ross-tech.com for full details.
 

silver123

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In my and probably many others opinion:

VAG Tacho - COSTS £1000s when new so if its any less then £100 its a cheap copy and cant be trusted
VAG CAN COMMANDER - SAME AS THE ABOVE
KWP2000 - cheap junk and can very very easily destroy an ECU, its cheap crappy, copied equipment that cant be trusted as far as it can be thrown.

Vag-com or VCDS as its now known as is a full diagnostic tool which can be used to diagnose faults on all VAG control units and can program keys - it also has many other functions
- check out www.ross-tech.com for full details.


I have an old vag com from ross tech (one that doesn't work with new so called "can" cars) and I couldn't do anything except reading measuring blocks and DTC's + perform some tests.
BTW I really don't know what word "can" heare means because CAN stands for controller area network BUS - a communication link between car's electronic modules (as far as I know), while OBD stands for an on board diagnose - meaning that electronic modules have special function to store DTC report in its memory (eeprom).

I really don't understand why this interface devices (vag can, vag commander...) between car and PC that only change the voltage and communication protocol (so it meets USB standard on PC and that in car) should cost more that couple of € since it is only a simple 8bit MC that has some kB software in it! I also don't understand why this thing is not standardised between all car manufacturers, since there are basicly only two providers of electronic modules - BOSCH and SIMENS

I really can't understand how can one destroy ECU since this is a simple 8bit MC with internal eeprom memory where program is stored (older cars had PROM and needed physisal intererence). and you should always copy the original ECU program before swapping the new modificated. Then with scaning the MAF, MAP and EGT readings you can control if values are critical - if they are and you can't change that you simply recopy the ECU software content with previous. As far as I know that's it.
BTW I used to deal with 8 bits microcontrolers (in visual basic and C based assemblers) and durring the summer I worked for some local tunner for about 1 month. My job there was to deal with customers that wanted serial ECU swapping. all I had to do was to conect PC to the car and send a new ECU program throug some sort of interface device, while owner perform custom swapping on dyno (for customers who modified their inlet and outlet of the engine - new exhaust and/or turbocharger, sometimes also new camshatfs). I did't really understand half of what he was doing, I only folow the exact procedure he gave me. First I had to check the engine with diagnostic tool (we used original VAG diagnostic tool), then if everything was OK (especial MAF sensor), I searched our ECU software database (by ECU number) and the send the software from PC to some other device (I think it was also original from VAG) and then recopy the ECU software (it took about few minutes)

So what I need is some tool with which I could set day runing lights + if it is even posible change the program of windshild wippers and If it is possible below 100€. I was looking on the ebay and UCABLES and prices for VAG commander were bellow 100$.

BTW I have AUDI A4 2.0 TFSI, year 2006 (bought in EU)
 
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MJ

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If you think they are ok then buy them, but as i have already stated they are generally cheap, generic copied software that cannot be updated and are not backed up by anyone. They are also very unstable and can damage and destroy control units.

Many people who have tried and tested them will let you know
 

silver123

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Apr 2, 2007
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If you think they are ok then buy them, but as i have already stated they are generally cheap, generic copied software that cannot be updated and are not backed up by anyone. They are also very unstable and can damage and destroy control units.

Many people who have tried and tested them will let you know

OK as far as I can't understand why I know that experiences are the best school, so if other had problems with this tool, than I won't experiment, although I can get new ECU for my audi for 170€.

The thing is that seller of this tool warns the users that the tool can be thrusted as long as you follow 3 steeps. You must have a stable PC, full charged car battery and laptop batery and a good new ECU program. If anything interupts the procedure of sending data to the ECU, it can be damaged, but if you follow this steps there shouldn't be anything wrong. BTW ebay seller has very positive feedback, plus he is registered user of ebay since 2001.

anywhay thanks for the warning, but please tell me if you know about any good tool for ECU flashing that is bellow 1000€.
(I will go to this expence, since I will buy it together with a cousin - it's still cheaper than gave a 600€ for a serial ECU swap, since I have a full database of serial tuned ECU's software that I got from the tuner I used to work)
 
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