Cracked lens on front 360 camera.

[_TryFailRepeat]

Dear fellow Cupra Ateca owners,

I have a question and I hope somebody can shed some light on this for me.

On my Cupra Ateca (2019) suddenly the lens cover of the lower camera (of the 360 cam system) in the grill (right above the license plate) is cracked.

I have a few questions about this and I hope somebody can shed some light on this for me;

Does anybody know is this glas cover is replacable by itself or that the entire camera unit needs to be replaced?
Is it possible to replace this without taking off the entire front bumper, or is it mandatory to remove the front bumper to get access to this part?
Is it possible to replace this camera without needing an entire re-calibration?

Is somebody has some info, and maybe exploded views or pictures about that the rear of this looks, that would be very helpful.

Thank you!

 

[Bahnstormer_vRS]

I've no real idea on answers to your questions, other than to say I'd be fairly confident in saying that, once the camera has been replaced, it will need to be recalibrate to be sure it is correctly aligned.

Guy

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[Cainy1989]

You can't just get the cover unfortunately you have to replace the camera, and you do have to remove the bumper to get to it. I'm not sure about the calibration thought.

 

[_TryFailRepeat]

You can't just get the cover unfortunately you have to replace the camera, and you do have to remove the bumper to get to it. I'm not sure about the calibration thought.

Thanks.

Maybe there’s a middle ground for now — I’m thinking of carefully removing the broken glass and gluing on a small watch crystal as a temporary fix.
Then one day, when I feel like spending the €500–800 the dealer gave as an estimate, I’ll go for a full camera replacement...

 

[_TryFailRepeat]

Thanks.

Maybe there’s a middle ground for now — I’m thinking of carefully removing the broken glass and gluing on a small watch crystal as a temporary fix.
Then one day, when I feel like spending the €500–800 the dealer gave as an estimate, I’ll go for a full camera replacement...

Except for that will just become a blurry mess due to lack of correct lens effect, but thats the best I can do for now..

 

[cairus]

New OM camera on AliExpress for less than 60€. If the wrong data set is on it, simply flash the required data set.

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

New OM camera on AliExpress for less than 60€. If the wrong data set is on it, simply flash the required data set.

There's no dataset on the camera so no need to worry

Calibration will be required once installed

 

[Bahnstormer_vRS]

New OM camera on AliExpress for less than 60€. If the wrong data set is on it, simply flash the required data set.

Won't that be a fake / copy as opposed to genuine?

Guy

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[cairus]

There's no dataset on the camera so no need to worry

Calibration will be required once installed

When you perform the basic configuration using ODIS, ODIS writes a parameter package. For me, that's a data set.

Or do you mean that the rear view camera with dynamic lines, etc., doesn't have a data set? Because the exact same camera is installed in the handle of the 360° system.

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

When you perform the basic configuration using ODIS, ODIS writes a parameter package. For me, that's a data set.

Or do you mean that the rear view camera with dynamic lines, etc., doesn't have a data set? Because the exact same camera is installed in the handle of the 360° system.

It’s a front camera.. the dataset is in the area view control module..

The highline rear camera has the control module built into the camera..

 

[_TryFailRepeat]

So I've ordered a new original camera.

I now have a follow up question: Is it possible to remove the upper part of the grill without removing the entire bumper? If that is possible, I think it's also possible to change out the camera without removing the entire bumper.

I'm talking about the part circled in red. Is that removable with the bumper in place? Otherwise it'll be a complete bumper removal, if I dare to..

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

So I've ordered a new original camera.

I now have a follow up question: Is it possible to remove the upper part of the grill without removing the entire bumper? If that is possible, I think it's also possible to change out the camera without removing the entire bumper.

I'm talking about the part circled in red. Is that removable with the bumper in place? Otherwise it'll be a complete bumper removal, if I dare to..

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Remove the bumper. It isn’t half as difficult as you’d expect

You can find guides on how to do every single step on Seat Erwin

 

[cairus]

It’s a front camera.. the dataset is in the area view control module..

The highline rear camera has the control module built into the camera..

You're confusing something here. With a 360° system, the rear camera is also a sub-participant of the 360° control unit. It's exactly the same camera as the exterior mirror and front

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

You're confusing something here. With a 360° system, the rear camera is also a sub-participant of the 360° control unit. It's exactly the same camera as the exterior mirror and front

You're confusing something..

The dataset is uploaded to 6C, and kept on 6C.

6C is the area view control module when KA6 is installed
6C is the rear view camera when KA2 is installed
6C does not exist when KA1 or KA0 are installed.

The rear camera for KA2 is completely different to the rear camera for KA6. This thread is regarding a broken FRONT camera, only present when KA6 is installed. Therefore when replaced, all that's required is calibration

Nothing is uploaded to the cameras when KA6 is installed. All of the processing is performed by the area view control module

If this thread was regarding a broken REAR camera on a car with area view, again all that's required is calibration. The same goes for the mirror cameras.
If this thread was regarding a broken REAR camera on a car without area view then the camera requires parameterisation, coding and then calibration as the control module is built into the camera (assuming it's KA2)

Here's an area view dataset to be uploaded to 6C. The cameras themselves are not addressed as 6C on a car with area view

Edit:
This is the last time I'll comment as it seems like I'm talking to a brick wall, I won't receive any further notifications about this thread but feel free to message me. The correct information is above. I've lost count of how many area view systems we've worked on/retrofitted over the years.

 

[cairus]

I think there was a translation problem. Regarding my post about buying the camera from AliExpress, it's often the case that it comes pre-calibrated. Hence my statement about the data set. During the calibration, the front camera parameters are also communicated. You can see this clearly when they provide the calibration of a B8 Passat for an Ateca, for example.

In other words, with the 6C control unit with 360° they have installed 4 "data sets" on the 6C

Calibration is the alignment of the four camera images to each other so that the calculated image looks clean on the display.

 

[_TryFailRepeat]

Calibration is the alignment of the four camera images to each other so that the calculated image looks clean on the display.

Yes, according to other sources I have found, the camera's will work anyway but the image will probably be distorted. The camera's in the 360 system (there are four, all the same type, part number 5Q0980546A) don't need specific programming when swapped. Unlike for instance the camera behind the windscreen mirror.

I will commence with removing the entire bumper (it's probably going to take me three days) and replacing the camera. Then I'll probably end up with a slightly distorted picture on my screen which needs adjusting/calibrating.

I'll document the process and report back here as log for future generations to enjoy.

 

[_TryFailRepeat]

Remove the bumper. It isn’t half as difficult as you’d expect

You can find guides on how to do every single step on Seat Erwin

Thanks. I'll give it a go as soon as I receive the camera.
I purchased an hour access to Erwin and got errors on everything bumper related... "this image is not available", so that was a waist of money...

I found these instructions, they seem pretty straight forward and I hope they are correct: https://remont-bampera.com/en/seat-ateca

 

[cairus]

Yes, according to other sources I have found, the camera's will work anyway but the image will probably be distorted. The camera's in the 360 system (there are four, all the same type, part number 5Q0980546A) don't need specific programming when swapped. Unlike for instance the camera behind the windscreen mirror.

I will commence with removing the entire bumper (it's probably going to take me three days) and replacing the camera. Then I'll probably end up with a slightly distorted picture on my screen which needs adjusting/calibrating.

I'll document the process and report back here as log for future generations to enjoy.

If you install a new factory camera or a used one from another vehicle model, you will not be able to avoid basic settings and calibration.

A New one from the Factory Show me No live Picture

 

[_TryFailRepeat]

If you install a new factory camera or a used one from another vehicle model, you will not be able to avoid basic settings and calibration.

A New one from the Factory Show me No live Picture

Could it be there is some sort of translation issue here?

I've rebought a Erwin subscription and looked it up, while it's not available for the Cupra (get an Error) the FR has exactly the same system with the same partnumbers and the replacement instruction only mentions the recalibration process.

I've found descriptions of other people doing the same thing (replacing the camera), in that specific case on a Passat, utilizing the same part number camera and it was a simple swap and only a recalibration was needed to get the pictures alligned.

Maybe you mean that it's needed to program settings when it's a completely new install?

 

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Update:

So I removed the entire bumper and swapped the camera. The camera works flawlesly, however, it does need calibration. It's not of by much, just a tiny bit but noticable if you'd look for it.

When removing the bumper; The three hex bolts on the inside of the wheel arches are impossible to reach. What I came up with if using a hex-bit and then a angled key to turn it. That worked fine, but took me two hours to figure out.
Removeing the entire wheel liners, especially the back parts gives you the needed access.

The camera I used was listed as new (and indeed has a production date of 2024 on it) and for a Tiguan. It is NOT an chinese clone, but a proper VW marked one (don't know if there's a difference though). Its the same software version, but another hardware version according tot he sticker. It works just fine.

I'll update with pictures later, just in case any of our fellow Cupra Ateca drivers needs to swap out the front 360 camera.
Total cost? €80,- for the camera + an afternoon of work + cuts and scrapes, and a more intimate relationship with my carp. Still need to get the thing calibrated tho.