180/210/225 whats the difference?

[G888]

Hi

Ive just bought myself an Octavia vRS with 180bhp (same as the Cupra), and already i fancy making it a bit quicker!!

Could someone advise me of the differences between my 1.8t with 180bhp, and the LCR's 210/225bhp 1.8t?

There is alot of talk about remaps to get this power, revo and jabba etc, but what is the reliability like with one of these remaps? surely Seat didnt just remap the 1.8t 180bhp engine to give it more power for the LCR? and any idea what bar the LCR run at? and is it right the higher the bar the less reliable it is??

Sorry to sound a bit thick with this modding stuff, its my first turbo, still trying to understand how best to run one of the beasts, let alone mod it

Thanks

Gav

 

[Harry's cupra]

I think its a different Turbo on the cars, KO3 on the lower power KO4 on the cars with more, remaps seems reliable I have my Ibiza remapped with Revo software and not had any problems with it caused by the remap

 

[stpete]

twin intercoolers 210/225, one on 180. 180 can be remapped to 210ish have a look in revo/awesome sections, lots to read and much to learn! have fun!

 

[CupraSteve]

different turbos, twin inercoolers on the r, lower compression, different pistons etc etc etc

 

[andycupra]

yes can confirm:

180 has either k03 or k03s turbo. (k03 remaps higher to 210, k03 struggles to get to 200)

the 210/225 cars have k04 turbo and have two intercoolers as oposed to 1 on the 180. this also means the inlet manifold is the other way around on the engine.
the inlet im 99% sure is also bigger on the higher power cars.

bar wise not so sure.
but the 180 runs about 8-9psi standard.
the 210/225 a little more. think 11psi?

 

[Ruddmeister]

There is alot of talk about remaps to get this power, revo and jabba etc, but what is the reliability like with one of these remaps? surely Seat didnt just remap the 1.8t 180bhp engine to give it more power for the LCR? and any idea what bar the LCR run at? and is it right the higher the bar the less reliable it is??

The LCR has bigger intake and KO4 vs KO3S turbo (assuming the octy is same engine as Cupra) as has been said the LCR has an extra intercooler, different ECU etc.

I ran a Revo remap for 50k miles with no problems, a hose blew off a couple of times and the dump valve was replaced because the std one is sh1te and a known 1.8T weak point.

The LCR is running the same engine as the S3 and laterly the 225 LCR's the same as the TT (and later S3's).

The Cupra, VRs and smaller TT run the 180bhp engine.

IIRC a std LCR runs arouns 10-11psi while a remapped car is pushing 18psi (ave figs not peak)

Whilst it's true that a car running more power should be less reliable nobody knows is that 1% or 50% less reliable and most people are guessing......what I do know (this is not a guess) is that quite a few guys on here have done tens on thousands of miles with the Ibiza 1.8T's on replaced IHI turbo's running circa 350bhp on stnadard internal components.

Also people like Mitchy are getting similar BHP and huige torque on an LCR with NOS and a remap (otherwise standard engine) and it's still still running fine after thousands of miles.

It's your car and your call, obviously your car could go wrong, then again you could get hit by a bus tomorrow (I hope not, just making a point).....

 

[Ruddmeister]

the 210/225 may also have 4 bar fuel as opposed to 3 bar, but again i get feeling some of the higher powered cars also have 3 bar!

210 and 225 have 3bar FPR same as 180bhp engines

 

[CupraSteve]

do all cupras have the k03s?

 

[andycupra]

do all cupras have the k03s?

ibiza has k03. i think all of them..

the early leons, think around up to the end of 2000 have k03, then k03s after.
LCR K04

 

[CupraSteve]

mines July 2001??

 

[Ruddmeister]

ibiza has k03. i think al of them..

the early leons, think around up to start of 2001 have k03, then k03s.
cant speak for other makes..

Thought all leons were KO3S
All Ibiza's KO3

 

[andycupra]

Thought all leons were KO3S
All Ibiza's KO3

most but not all....
some early leons had K03 if you get a 2001 onwards leon cupra it will have K03s.
late 2000 models could be either.
before that k03

 

[G888]

loads of info, cheers guys.

So, guessing mine is the K03s, i should be able to remap to 210 pretty safely, is it worth doing anything else, like upgrade the DV etc etc to make it more reliable.

Some of the Octavia guys get remaps of around 230bhp with a std Jabba one, i think, personally i wouldnt want to go more that 210.

Are you able to choose a remap that is more torquey than another, or more power at the top end? and are you able to adjust the bar, if so, is it best to keep it low when chilling out, then wack it up a bit for some fun?

Cheers

Gav

 

[andycupra]

the boost isnt really that adjustable.

if ytou remap with something like REVO then you can get an SPS module that allows you to adjust boost and timing settings.
but not on the move.

APR offer a chip that uses the cruise control to change modes.

Jabba isnt a map that you can turn on and off as you please, but they can fit a boost controller.
however im not sure if adjusts the boost levels massively.

but im no expert so someone else may know more...

 

[bigd]

I've got a 2001 180BHP Leon Cupra with an APR remap. It's now doing 210BHP at the fly and I've had no issues. APR is a joint venture between Audi and Bosch (ECU Manufacturer). Would assume that the Octy has the Bosch ECU. The only mods made to the engine was to replace the Bosch DV for a Forge one and replace the standard filter for a Green Air panel filter.

Worth every penny, and APR are doing a special price at the moment.

 

[Feel]

APR offer a chip that uses the cruise control to change modes.

And just for the sake of clarity, also not on the move, I understand.

 

[Feel]

APR is a joint venture between Audi and Bosch (ECU Manufacturer).

Really? I didn't know that. I wonder why they don't offer the software at the dealers then. Or with a warranty for that matter. I wonder why it's not cheaper then, not having to crack the ECU encryption like the other tuners. You'd think they would've been first to market with the MKV code.

 

[andycupra]

And just for the sake of clarity, also not on the move, I understand.

they recommend you dont as not to be distracted while driving.

which of course is good advice as its safer.....

 

[k11jrp]

Ask Jason m8, he has a Octy vRS remapped with Revo...pushing about 221.3bhp iirc

 

[Feel]

they recommend you dont as not to be distracted while driving.

which of course is good advice as its safer.....

So, you can change programs whilst travelling, but they just don't advise it?