Is a stage 1 worth a hybrid turbo? And best place to get turbo repaired or get an exc

[Katycupra]

Hiya guys.
Unfortunately my turbo very much appears to have died! Leon Cupra R 225 BAM. The stage 1 brought out about 280bhp so fairly high for a stage 1 - but is it worth investing in a hybrid turbo? What are people's experiences?

So I'm looking to either get it reconditioned or buy a reconditioned one? Can you recommend anywhere? I'm in Kent but will pay for collectiom/delivery etc.

Cheers

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[Sparkie]

Hi
That is high Bhp, are you running any mods at the mo?

 

[Katycupra]

Hi
That is high Bhp, are you running any mods at the mo?

Yeah quite a few were put on the car before I got it but a few years ago. Planning on getting it dyno' d after the new turbo and starting fresh

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[Sparkie]

Good luck with it.
I know sod all about turbos I'm afraid, as I've not blown one.
You could do worse than chat with the guys at Badger5
They know their turbos and will give you sound advice.

 

[Sparkie]

So now I'm looking into turbos as mine has some blades that have minor damage.
Most annoyed. There I was saying I'd never had turbo problems!!! Aarrr!
I was told about Owen Developments.
Turbos are what they do. Come highly recommended. They fix an also sell.
They are on the net. Take a look.

 

[Andrewwright]

So now I'm looking into turbos as mine has some blades that have minor damage.
Most annoyed. There I was saying I'd never had turbo problems!!! Aarrr!
I was told about Owen Developments.
Turbos are what they do. Come highly recommended. They fix an also sell.
They are on the net. Take a look.

If you're looking to rebuild it " don't buy a new one" then maybe hybrid rebuild would be an idea?

R-Tech recommend the BBT K04 hybrid K418T for the very best performance from a retail KKK hybrid ever. In terms of tuning cost this has to be the best £ to hp gain upgrade available for the 1.8T and at £675 you would be a fool not to go this upgrade route.
K418T Features:
BBT Ported K04-0023 Turbine housing
BBT K04 compressor housing
TFSI turbine 44.5mm/50mm
BBT designed 7+7 2283 compressor wheel with ETT
BBT uprated thrust beating/collar
BBT improved O-ring sealed backplated
Step gapped rear seal
BBT uprate 15Psi actuator
Power :
330+bhp. Suporting mods are required, already proved to run over 365hp with the Badger5 high flow cast manifolds

But I guess you don't have to run it at over 300bhp

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[Sparkie]

If you're looking to rebuild it " don't buy a new one" then maybe hybrid rebuild would be an idea?

R-Tech recommend the BBT K04 hybrid K418T for the very best performance from a retail KKK hybrid ever. In terms of tuning cost this has to be the best £ to hp gain upgrade available for the 1.8T and at £675 you would be a fool not to go this upgrade route.
K418T Features:
BBT Ported K04-0023 Turbine housing
BBT K04 compressor housing
TFSI turbine 44.5mm/50mm
BBT designed 7+7 2283 compressor wheel with ETT
BBT uprated thrust beating/collar
BBT improved O-ring sealed backplated
Step gapped rear seal
BBT uprate 15Psi actuator
Power :
330+bhp. Suporting mods are required, already proved to run over 365hp with the Badger5 high flow cast manifolds

But I guess you don't have to run it at over 300bhp

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Cheers Andrew
So if I bolted one of the above to my beast what else would have to be changed?
only really wanted a stage one map.
Would it be better to go for a custom map if fitted?

 

[Andrewwright]

Not sure if intake pipe would need to be bigger but other than that no nothing has to be changed. I look at this turbo as a very good replacement with the bonus of more power if you want to go that route. You could slap this on and have a generic stage one map added but would be better for this turbo to be "custom mapped" bigger cooler bigger injector's ect ect.

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[Sparkie]

Not sure if intake pipe would need to be bigger but other than that no nothing has to be changed. I look at this turbo as a very good replacement with the bonus of more power if you want to go that route. You could slap this on and have a generic stage one map added but would be better for this turbo to be "custom mapped" bigger cooler bigger injector's ect ect.

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I have an enlarged TIP from Badger5.
Not looking to to do intercooler etc.
Are the blades in this pic going to make this turbo fail?

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[Andrewwright]

Pass mate. How old is it? Fin doesn't looks too good but pics are not the best either. Life span of ko3/4 is what 100k

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[Sparkie]

Pass mate. How old is it? Fin doesn't looks too good but pics are not the best either. Life span of ko3/4 is what 100k

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Ok.
One last question then.
If it lets go in a big way. Will it bugger up my exhaust as well?

 

[Andrewwright]

Ok.
One last question then.
If it lets go in a big way. Will it bugger up my exhaust as well?

Depends on quality of exgaust

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[mty12345]

Pass mate. How old is it? Fin doesn't looks too good but pics are not the best either. Life span of ko3/4 is what 100k

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+1 on this. It just looks like a bit of wear from the lifetime of the turbo. I think if it was going to cause a failiure then it would of already happened if you get what i mean. The rpm's are so extreme that even the slightest imbalance will cause immediate failure.

 

[mty12345]

Ok.
One last question then.
If it lets go in a big way. Will it bugger up my exhaust as well?

It's not the exhaust you need to worry about, that will probably be fine, it's bits of the impeller wheel getting sucked into the engine that's the issue.

As i said above though, i don't think it's any more likely to fail than any turbo of that age/mileage.

 

[Sparkie]

It's not the exhaust you need to worry about, that will probably be fine, it's bits of the impeller wheel getting sucked into the engine that's the issue.

As i said above though, i don't think it's any more likely to fail than any turbo of that age/mileage.

Ok that's all good to know.
Cars done 50,000. Miles. So hope it will last a while longer.

 

[ibizacupra]

If you're looking to rebuild it " don't buy a new one" then maybe hybrid rebuild would be an idea?

R-Tech recommend the BBT K04 hybrid K418T for the very best performance from a retail KKK hybrid ever. In terms of tuning cost this has to be the best £ to hp gain upgrade available for the 1.8T and at £675 you would be a fool not to go this upgrade route.
K418T Features:
BBT Ported K04-0023 Turbine housing
BBT K04 compressor housing
TFSI turbine 44.5mm/50mm
BBT designed 7+7 2283 compressor wheel with ETT
BBT uprated thrust beating/collar
BBT improved O-ring sealed backplated
Step gapped rear seal
BBT uprate 15Psi actuator
Power :
330+bhp. Suporting mods are required, already proved to run over 365hp with the Badger5 high flow cast manifolds

But I guess you don't have to run it at over 300bhp

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The highest K04 hybrid is the AET K04-380 unit
http://badger5.biz/epages/3927bc2c-...739-96a5-d6cca869fcd6/Products/K04-380PACKAGE

BUT if the ops just looking for a replacement, and has no supporting mods, its not advised to consider a hybrid.. They dont have the supporting mods. Pointless. (dangerous for their engine also) - the 280bhp seems far fetched also... Unrealistic figure.)

alternatively if gfetting it going again with new K04 chra if exhaust housings not cracked, then its only £206 for a new genuine BW KKK04 core.
http://badger5.biz/epages/3927bc2c-...6485-4739-96a5-d6cca869fcd6/Products/K04-chra

 

[Sparkie]

The highest K04 hybrid is the AET K04-380 unit

http://badger5.biz/epages/3927bc2c-...739-96a5-d6cca869fcd6/Products/K04-380PACKAGE



BUT if the ops just looking for a replacement, and has no supporting mods, its not advised to consider a hybrid.. They dont have the supporting mods. Pointless. (dangerous for their engine also) - the 280bhp seems far fetched also... Unrealistic figure.)



alternatively if gfetting it going again with new K04 chra if exhaust housings not cracked, then its only £206 for a new genuine BW KKK04 core.

http://badger5.biz/epages/3927bc2c-...6485-4739-96a5-d6cca869fcd6/Products/K04-chra

That looks like a sensible solution to my problem and not a king's ransom either.


Apologies to you Katy as I didn't mean to hijack this thread for myself.
Hope some of this info is helping.


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[Andrewwright]

The highest K04 hybrid is the AET K04-380 unit
http://badger5.biz/epages/3927bc2c-...739-96a5-d6cca869fcd6/Products/K04-380PACKAGE

BUT if the ops just looking for a replacement, and has no supporting mods, its not advised to consider a hybrid.. They dont have the supporting mods. Pointless. (dangerous for their engine also) - the 280bhp seems far fetched also... Unrealistic figure.)

alternatively if gfetting it going again with new K04 chra if exhaust housings not cracked, then its only £206 for a new genuine BW KKK04 core.
http://badger5.biz/epages/3927bc2c-...6485-4739-96a5-d6cca869fcd6/Products/K04-chra

Can I ask how would it be dangerous if tuned right?
I wasn't saying to put it on the car with stock setup but just add a hybrid and ramp up the bhp.
To use as a direct replacement unit wouldn't be ok if custom tuned and set up? Or would injector's/fmic need to be added as a must?
I don't mean to question you of all People.


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[ibizacupra]

Can I ask how would it be dangerous if tuned right?
I wasn't saying to put it on the car with stock setup but just add a hybrid and ramp up the bhp.
To use as a direct replacement unit wouldn't be ok if custom tuned and set up? Or would injector's/fmic need to be added as a must?
I don't mean to question you of all People.


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(1) depends on the hybrid, its spec/potential etc...
(2) you will need to respect the std engine, its internals (rods)
(3) if you dont plan on doing anything else other than fit a hybrid, you have bought a turbo and not used its potential.... vs replacing std unit like for like.

Depends what you are after doing.. BUT hybrids of any decent quality & spec will be capable of 340bhp+ vs std injectors which are 270bhp max, and the risks associated on std rods when passing over 300bhp..

Thats my take on it.

There is nothing impossible in tuning dull a hybrid to respect the rest of the hardware, but I have to ask just "why"? If on a p[ath to do other mods, I understand, but the mapping will need to be revisited as you make further mods... and the 300 number should be respected in overall number terms. You can play rod lottery, but I don't recommend this. Risky business.

 

[Andrewwright]

(1) depends on the hybrid, its spec/potential etc...
(2) you will need to respect the std engine, its internals (rods)
(3) if you dont plan on doing anything else other than fit a hybrid, you have bought a turbo and not used its potential.... vs replacing std unit like for like.

Depends what you are after doing.. BUT hybrids of any decent quality & spec will be capable of 340bhp+ vs std injectors which are 270bhp max, and the risks associated on std rods when passing over 300bhp..

Thats my take on it.

There is nothing impossible in tuning dull a hybrid to respect the rest of the hardware, but I have to ask just "why"? If on a p[ath to do other mods, I understand, but the mapping will need to be revisited as you make further mods... and the 300 number should be respected in overall number terms. You can play rod lottery, but I don't recommend this. Risky business.

Thank you for that explanation, makes sense if you're not looking to up the power one day and as you say with the rods having to be done will put most of a hybrid.

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