Tdi > Tfsi

[S8N]

I'd like to say I do drive my car hard and love pushing it on the motorways and commutes to shopping centres via big A roads. However I also use it on short trips to pickup children from nursery etc. I'd like to say statements that I'm I should get a lower performance car is B****CKs. If I had the money I could have got a even bigger performance car with out the hassle that I had from the TDI, hence getting the petrol version. I think Seat will finally get it correct but until then I know Seat Service department is busy regenrating DPF filters for a lot of their owners.

Actually, I think clearly stated that I also do mainly short trips and very little motorway work. I also clearly stated that there is plenty of places to do the regeneration process within legal driving legislation.. even in a big city, so I fail to see why there is so much drama and complaint about the DPF...

 

[Daz_25]

If i'd know this beforehand I'd have gone for a petrol instead. At least this gives me an excuse to blast the car on the way home. As mentioned earlier how easy is it to remove? and will it still pass an MOT without one?

 

[GREY 225]

Reading that link were it says Seat dont recomend driving a car with filter if most of your driving is around towns or cities,seat are going to be screwed in 2009 then when emmisions regulations come into effect.I cant beleive that seat refuse this as a warranty part,on a car with only 600 miles,I dont think this is very good,maybe seat shouldnt fit it in the first place if it is likely to cause problems.

 

[chippenhamwilts]

I am waiting to see the overall effect in 2009 if all diesels have to have it fiited there will be some seriously pi***d taxi drivers and lorry drivers. Or they will all swap for gas guzzling petrols and suddenly the cost of everything being delivered trebbles and we are all going to be skint during the next depression. Some government types really aren't bothered about the real ramifications are they but then if I was on their wages I dont think I would give two hoots either.

 

[beachboy]

This link to the AA's experience with DPFs is useful.

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuels-and-environment/diesel-particulate-filters.html

As mentioned by previous posters it is probably beneficial to give the engine a good thrashing and get those revs up to generate some heat in the exhaust. The FR tdi is so high geared in 5th and 6th gears that these are insufficient to generate the revs and heat required, even on a long motorway journey.
Just remember the words of Basil Fawlty, "Right, I'm going to give you a damn good thrashing."

 

[beachboy]

I have actually found something in writing from VW regarding DPFs.

http://www.iconia.org.uk/files/Diesel Particle Filter Recommendations.pdf

Please note carefully the following :

1) Driving conditions in inner-city and the Channel Islands do not provide optimum conditions for the regeneration (of the DPF) procedure.

2) If the DPF needs replacing and the guidelines/recommendations made by VW have not been followed, the cost of replacement will NOT BE COVERED by the manufacturer's warranty.

 

[s3atl3onFR]

The 'New' Seat Leon TDI Fr leaflet pretty much says the same thing, but they can't seem to agree on when it gets block and what speed you should drive to clear it, let alone the driving style required. I think it save to say if you clear 20 miles of driving everyday where theres opportunity to drive rather than sitting traffic you maybe lucky. I'm just wondering over time will the DPF get blocked up faster as all filters do.... then its a hefty £1500 thank you.

 

[OLDOILER]

I am waiting to see the overall effect in 2009 if all diesels have to have it fiited there will be some seriously pi***d taxi drivers and lorry drivers. Or they will all swap for gas guzzling petrols and suddenly the cost of everything being delivered trebbles and we are all going to be skint during the next depression. Some government types really aren't bothered about the real ramifications are they but then if I was on their wages I dont think I would give two hoots either.

You forgot their Expenses which can be greater than their wages - with a good accountant. ...............

 

[Sambo]

I wanna say to the people with the DPF problem,
Stop driving like a woos

if your in the DSG, try a journey in sport mode?
If your manual, don't change gear so keen...I know some people who sit in 5th driving at 30mph...what's that all about?? it's not even economical.

 

[S8N]

I wanna say to the people with the DPF problem,
Stop driving like a woos

if your in the DSG, try a journey in sport mode?
If your manual, don't change gear so keen...I know some people who sit in 5th driving at 30mph...what's that all about?? it's not even economical.

This is what I am politely trying to get across. The car isn't designed to be driven gently. It's marketed as a high performance variant of an existing model. It's expecting to be given the beans on a semi regular basis. There are always opportunities to use that power (while staying within legal limits).

Hammer down a slip road, join the motorway, leave it in 4th for 10 minutes, listen to that boom from the exhaust and regeneration done

I mean it politely but why buy a car with masses of grunt to tootle around in? It's known that the ride is firm, the engine is noisy and it's not particularly cosseted. That's why you buy it because you can feel the road and feel the power.

 

[Rampage]

I wonder if Seat included this "10 minutes of fast driving" in their fuel consumption figures?

 

[cuprascott]

I did notice the other day after a run along the motorway i gave it a boot in second away from the lights and it made a slightly different noise and there was a load of crap came out the back for a few seconds which it had never done before. Was this it "regenerating" ?

 

[Sambo]

I did notice the other day after a run along the motorway i gave it a boot in second away from the lights and it made a slightly different noise and there was a load of crap came out the back for a few seconds which it had never done before. Was this it "regenerating" ?

Most definately i'd say...

But why was that the only boot it had...i know petrol prices are high and you wanna save a fwe pence here n there driving economical, but if that was the case why did you buy an FR???

Sporty car = drive it so


If you drove an F1 car at 30mph it was fail after a few miles from overheating

 

[cuprascott]

Most definately i'd say...

But why was that the only boot it had...i know petrol prices are high and you wanna save a fwe pence here n there driving economical, but if that was the case why did you buy an FR???

Sporty car = drive it so


If you drove an F1 car at 30mph it was fail after a few miles from overheating

woah woah woah fella!!

I said it was the first time any crap came out the back not the first time i had booted it. it gets driven as it should unless i have the baby in the car!

 

[s3atl3onFR]

Just wondering if driving a sporty car is all some people are concerned about why buy the TDI FR and not the slightly better performing petrol version?

 

[JonoUK]

Just wondering if driving a sporty car is all some people are concerned about why buy the TDI FR and not the slightly better performing petrol version?

If I really try, I can get the mpg on my car down to about 35 on a trip to work. If I don't try, or am forced to pootle along behind some old biddy it somehow shoots up to about 53.

I bought the diesel flavoured FR because on the whole it probably delivers about 1.5-2x the economy I'd get out of the petrol one. I hear the petrol FR isn't THAT thirsty, say compared to a Focus ST3, but it's still nowhere near what I could get out of the diesel.

Sure, the TDI sounds like an asthmatic tractor when you start it up, you don't get purring kitten noises or a nice roar when you boot it, but I've grown quite partial to turbodiesel power delivery over the past 6 or 7 years. Ok, so I only get 2-2.5k revs to play with properly, but what a 2k powerband it is. I don't like feeling the need to rev the tits off my car to get it to go anywhere.

Anyway, back to the point I was trying to make...

The petrol version is only "slightly" better(?) performing. I get all the power I want/need right on tap, and great performance:economy ratio (I think).

 

[s3atl3onFR]

Sarcasm.... point is people who get TDI probably falls into two categories... for the economy factor or those who own a caravan... oh both like the thrill of the drive of course.

 

[S8N]

Sarcasm.... point is people who get TDI probably falls into two categories... for the economy factor or those who own a caravan... oh both like the thrill of the drive of course.

Nil point.

I actually prefer the power delivery of a tuned diesel. Ride the torque not wring it's neck. I am not worried about economy or own a caravan

 

[chippenhamwilts]

company car, its the way forward. Its not my repair bill. Oh but mine never clogs anyway ...cause it gets used which goes straight back to...company car, not my repair bill.

 

[rpmleon]

I've noticed several threads on this "DPF" problem and my commiserations with those who have experienced it.

I first approached my local dealer about 4 months ago about changing my Mk1 Leon 150 TDi Cupra for the new Mk11 FR TDi. He noted the low milage on my existing car and his very first question was "Do you do a lot of short journeys"? He then went on to explain about the possible problems with the DPF system and recommended the 140 TDi if I did do a lot of short journeys. He also explained about the possibility of the DPF actually "not being covered by the warrenty" if it did need replacing and the fact that this could cost £1000+. (Which I think is)

I must admit I had never heared of "DPF" at the time but his advice, and a little research, was one of several reasons why I opted for the TFSI FR DSG which I doooooooo so like

I did like the 170 FR and would have probably bought it if I did a lot of miles each year. Yes I did pay a few hudred pounds more for the TFSI DSG but that was my decision. I could have paid a few hundred pounds less if I'd gone for the TFSI FR Manual.

I think the point I am trying to make is that this has been a known problem since the introduction of DPF and I believe that some people out there may have decided not to buy that model if they had been given the proper advice at the dealership. If one dealer can give you the facts then why not all of them!

RPM