My RR results from today!!

[mexicorich]

11BHP transmission and tyre losses? Next to no chance surely. I've never heard of losses that low

 

[spyke85]

I'm the black Ibiza FR in this link :-

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/rr.scn_09.09.06.html

 

[Sisson]

All tranny losses are low at awesome.

Wheel horse power matters, fly figures are calculated from the whp.

BTW a standard 130 "should" be 130 at fly and around 110 at the wheels but we all no thats not true.


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[spyke85]

Just surprised that despite a remap that the bhp figures at the wheel are only 130bhp

 

[mpm1987]

you keep being surprised then, lol, tbh, i dont think that your fly to wheels sounds right, its a too minimal loss, i would have thought that on another rolling road you would see nearer 120 bhp at the wheels, but i would be happy to "test" my car against yours if you want?

 

[spyke85]

If it ain't right then there is alot of inaccuracies in the rolling road set up and as a result alot of cars that have had various rolling road runs including the one I was on are wrong. People have been on the RR I was on, and then another and still got similiar results.

I couldn't care less anyway, remapping a car is not on my priority list. Just saying that for a remapped car I would expect more at the wheels than yours is putting out.

 

[Ibiza Evo 2]

I also have a little loss from the fly to the wheels.

On 1 RR i had 220,8hp and 205,4whp
On the other RR i had 221,4hp and 199,2whp.

So 15/20hp loss is normal

 

[Smee]

i have heard awesome rolling roads have been funny and after looking at a few of these i decided to speak to the revo dealer i use for a rolling road. his rolling road is SPOT on. my ibiza cupra tdi hit 160 exactly with 5k on the clock.. i had it remaped and Will told me to expect just under 190 bhp and thats exactly what i got Will was impressed it was 188bhp he thought more 184 ish. (not sure 4 bhp is noticeable lol)

personally id trust this guy over any other place... u dont become the 3rd most experianced mechanic in the uk for nothing.

Smee

 

[Smee]

I'm the black Ibiza FR in this link :-

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/rr.scn_09.09.06.html

is that ur car standard or remapped on that rolling road

 

[spyke85]

is that ur car standard or remapped on that rolling road

Mods listed, green panel filter and PD160 air intake, so pretty much ctandard.

 

[Smee]

so ur pd 130 makes more at the wheel standard than my cupra did? and u dont think theres something fishy ??

Smee

 

[spyke85]

so ur pd 130 makes more at the wheel standard than my cupra did? and u dont think theres something fishy ??

Smee

Nope, as a number of PD130's I have seen on rolling roads have put out more than standard. Just like the Leon FR TDi has in once case put out 193bhp standard I think it was, check the Leon section.

 

[mexicorich]

If anyone really belives that VW's engineering is so poor that individual vehicle differences mean that a standard PD130 can put out more at the wheels than a standard PD160, there's not a lot to say other than NO CHANCE!

 

[spyke85]

If anyone really belives that VW's engineering is so poor that individual vehicle differences mean that a standard PD130 can put out more at the wheels than a standard PD160, there's not a lot to say other than NO CHANCE!

I work for Audi, I have seen some shocking engineering!

 

[spyke85]

Also check the standard 1.4 on this post, putting out more than what Seat claim

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=105208

Edit, standard vRS Fabia's putting out more than claimed and Fabia with same spec as mine

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/rr.briskoda_04.11.06.html

Edit again

Leon FR TDi putting out more than claimed when other cars were getting expected results
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106012

 

[Smee]

not exactly vw explained but its talks about calculating bhp wheel and fly wheel

http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/coastdwn.htm

pd 130 is approx fly wheel power

( 130 * 0.9 ) - 10 is a more likely estimate of ur cars bhp

= 107 Wheel bhp
my cupra

( 160 * 0.9 ) - 10 = 134 wheel bhp

bear in mind my rolling road is on the hottest day of the year i got 120 wheel bhp standard

remap

( 188 * 0.9 ) - 10 = 159.2 again wasnt the coolest day in the world a lot cooler than the first run and i didnt hit my estimate there.

clive runs 2 tests and then uses both to calculate a better result.

i know there is always a conflict on calcs but i think we all agree 11bhp lose from flywheel to wheel is a stupid figure

Smee

 

[spyke85]

Was just simply pointing out that my car is not the only one that is putting out more than claimed. Not a fan of remaps anyway as I don't see how plugging a computer into a car costs £500.

 

[Smee]

doesnt costs £200 ish and ur paying for there service

rolling road day at clives might be in order

Smee

 

[spyke85]

doesnt costs £200 ish and ur paying for there service

rolling road day at clives might be in order

Smee

If I would get any remap it would be Custom Code and thats £450

 

[Smee]

why what does that give u what p-torque dont?

ur wasting 200 pound on nothing.. and clive is a revo dealer and agreed it was a good remap and i wouldnt of got much more from a revo if anything

Smee