Diverter Valve.... Which one...

Hi guys, a bit of a noob question....

I got a 2001 Leon 1.9 TDi SE 110....

Is it possible/does such a diverter valve upgrade exist for this car?

Would it be the Forge 007p, or is that not even compatible...

Sorry for posing in his section and not the TDi one... its just from past experience not many people post in there compared to in here....

Any help much appreciated... :whistle:

Ben
 

Muttley

Catch that diesel!
Mar 17, 2006
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Short answer - none.

Long answer - - -

Congratulations! You win tonights star prize - a cut-and-pasted lecture on why diesels don't have dump (or diverter) valves - - - sit tight now, we'll make this as painless as we can: -

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Diesel dump valves part 1:

Petrol engines have a throttle mechanism which controls the flow of air between inlet (turbo-compressor) and the engine combustion chamber, so as to keep the air-fuel mixture in the ignitable range while throttling the engine's power output. The mass of air taken in and fuel added must both be carefully controlled.

When you close the throttle on such an engine the compressor is still pushing air into the inlet and it suddenly has nowhere to go. The back pressure will inevitably slow the turbo down, and cause turbo lag when the throttle is opened again. The solution is to provide a pressure-actuated valve, which reacts to a difference in pressure between the two sides of the throttle, opening to dump the excess pressure to the ambient (dump valve) or back into the inlet (recirculating blowoff, which does a much better job by equalising the pressure on both sides of the turbo). Without this, throttles and turbos would have to be much more heavily engineered and throttle response would suffer.

So dump valves are about throttle response at gearchange and other sudden transient events, not about performance in the leadfoot top-speed way of thinking.

The need for a dump valve is a weakness of turbocharged petrol engines, putting another contraption in the inlet side which disturbs the gas flow and is a point of failure. I find it mildly astonishing that anyone should be proud of their car farting on the overrun. But then I have a diesel so I'm probably disqualified from having an opinion.







Diesel engines have no throttle. Power output is controlled by the fuel quantity injected at each stroke. Mass flow around the compressor-combustion chamber-turbo impeller loop is always uniform. This makes diesels much better candidates for forced induction.

A dump valve can only do harm to the performance of a diesel.

Turbo wastegates are not dump valves, they limit the pressure on the impeller (exhaust) side of the turbine to prevent the turbine from overspeeding when the engine's gas flow becomes too high i.e. at high rev's. The higher-performing VAG turbos use variable-geometry inlet vanes and have no wastegate.

There are "dump valves" for TDi's that are activated by the ECU, such as the Forge TDI-special one. If fitted and adjusted properly they do not affect performance, they just make a noise. So you can fit them anywhere you like, wherever you want the noise to be heard best - say on the dashboard, or maybe on the roof.

Here endeth the first lesson :)



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There, now, that didn't hurt a bit - did it?
 

Muttley

Catch that diesel!
Mar 17, 2006
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North Kent
Part 2 is a bit scathing about the Forge TDI dump valve, particularly the advertising copy and the fitting instructions, so only gets posted in response to a direct question about the thing. I don't criticise Forge for reacting to the market demand and providing a solution for anyone who wants a "diesel dump valve". But the ad-crap bullshit has high fertiliser value and the fitting instructions are alarming to say the least.
 
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